Soul Calibur 4

[Cyrus]

I did miss it when you wrote without downscaling. I thought you had written that it could be done with downscaling assuming Nintendo coughed up the money. I seriously doubt it could directly be ported without being downgraded. Do you have any reason aside from thinking Nintendo are cheap bastards to believe it can be done directly?

[blackmyst]

Look, little shit for brains. We both know what you were saying (teh Wee is too shitty to handle SC4 period no matter waht HURR). It doesn't matter whether you're pathetically trying to slightly change your original point and trying to make others believe that that wasn't what you were saying in the first place. Everybody is seeing through it, might as well give up your retarded little crusade, tiger.


Oh, and who is flipping out like an infant? Who's writing in font size = one million lol getting all flustered? How hilariously ironic, especially considering my original post wasn't even aimed at you personally but at Wiibashers in general.

Get the fuck out, dumbshit. Go and cumswap with the other fags at some Sony message board after having an orgasm together over how awful the Wee looks.

[Deathlike2]

I saw that clearly, no one is saying it can't be brought to the Wii with a downscale as I've REPEATEDLY said. You're blatantly ignoring my point that if it has to be downscaled that means it couldn't handle it as in couldn't handle what the game originally was intended to be.

Perhaps, but on the other hand..

If the developers are aware of those limitations, and are encountering that issue during testing, it may simply be done intentionally (by the devs) to minimize the impact of IQ+performance. Devs developing for consoles are always aware of the console differences, and thus would never call it downscaling... rather "it is optimized to the console's potential".

So, even if you call it downscaling, it doesn't mean it wasn't intended to be crippled, it is intended to work with the hardware that it was designed for.

The cripple argument is silly. It is easier to argue that the 360 or PS3 port should be better than the Wii port... and that's all you can say.

[Cyrus]

Look, little shit for brains. We both know what you were saying (teh Wee is too shitty to handle SC4 period no matter waht HURR). It doesn't matter whether you're pathetically trying to slightly change your original point and trying to make others believe that that wasn't what you were saying in the first place. Everybody is seeing through it, might as well give up your retarded little crusade, tiger.


Oh, and who is flipping out like an infant? Who's writing in font size = one million lol getting all flustered? How hilariously ironic, especially considering my original post wasn't even aimed at you personally but at Wiibashers in general.

Get the fuck out, dumbshit. Go and cumswap with the other fags at some Sony message board after having an orgasm together over how awful the Wee looks.

Still ranting on like a moron running into a wall I see, as soon as you're finished being a retard you can get lost and never return. You don't even any point anymore, you just pulled the first insults you could out of your ass and hoped it would somehow offend me. Boo hoo, is the poor little kid upset at me? Tough shit, asshole. You're not contributing anything at all to this thread so fuck off.

[Joe Camacho]

And Gil, no matter how you slice it, the gameplay will NOT be the same when it's severely scaled down, that's like having a different game. It's day and night, like the 3D remake of the classic style Prince Of Persia game (and I don't mean The Sands Of Time or The Warrior Within, I mean an actual 3D remake of the classic). You could argue that it's just a "scaled up" version of the original but it's practically a different game.

Now you're just grasping at straws. Yeah, if they made Soul Calibur on the Atari 2600 then it would play differently, duh!

But for your sake I hope you don't honestly believe that any graphical difference between a Wii and a PS3/360 3D fighter would affect the gameplay even the tiniest bit. Because if you do, then god dammit, get off the internet. Now.

In fact, just get off my fucking internet period.

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And Joe, you're grasping at straws too. Earlier in this thread you were trying to make yourself believe SC4 on the Wii would somehow look like NES Karate Kid, and even that it would have to run more slowly, which is a ridiculous notion, for a game of this genre. In reality the differences would be minimal and in visual polish and smoothness only. You bring up different genres like Gears of War and MGS4, well, read what the hell I'm writing up there about that, because I'm not doing it again.



Really, you guys are funny. Are you really so bitter that Nintendo is trouncing all over your favourite consoles in sales, and that their franchises are still so highly rated, despite their latest console not focusing on graphic power?

Is it because the graphics race has come to symbolise the "next generation" for you, and now that somebody is ignoring that, while still winning the hearts and minds of the public, you somehow feel as if a part of your very soul is being ignored as unimportant?

Is that why you feel the burning need to tell people about how the Wii looks like SNES 1.5, over and over and over and over? I mean, we get it, you know!

God fucking dammit. I have said that while the GAMEPLAY can remain the same, it won't LOOK the same, it won't be the SAME game. I have repeatedly said it various times now. Look like Deathlike2 got my argument, even if he disagrees, and hey, it's cool.

Why not releasing the same gameplay with stick figures? You don't care about the graphics, so play with Stick Figures instead. Even if it PLAYS the same, it won't LOOK the same, it isn't the same GAME.

Why released a halfbaked, graphical inferior version of a game, that is going to get two better looking versions in two different consoles? Why released it on a console that is ALREADY getting a console exclusive, made from the ground up to take advantage of Wii?

But no, there has to be some black-ops conspiracy behind nintendo, yeah, the other mean evil consoles don't want the Wii to have SC4. Yeah, that's right, YOU READ IT HERE FIRST. It doesn't have anything to do that the other two consoles are more powerful, and maybe they want it to be shiny and they want their character models to have 100000000 polygons per eyelash, I don't know. Maybe they want to make a pretty game, and hell, they are doing a pretty game.

A game that for some reason, reasons I think I have already said multiple times, isn't going to be released on the Wii.

Could they release SC4 with the SC2 engine for the Wii? Yeah, they could. But it wouldn't be the SAME game released on the PS3 or the XBox360. I would play, yeah. But if I had 2 of any of the 3 consoles, I would go with the one that looks better? Why should I settle with a downscale one?

Why would Namco spend their time downscaling a game, that would be competing with: Prettier versions of the same game in the different console markets or an exclusive game of the same franchise to the console.

Namco is paying attention to the market, and there isn't anything wrong with that.

Yeah, I said it might be slower, if they were able to make it LOOK like the other two versions. Or downscale the graphics for the sake of the Gameplay. It would still not be the same game compared to the other console versions.

A thing that didn't happen with SC2.

But seriously, who are the damn trolls? The guys that come to talk about SC4 for the PS3, the Xbox360.. Or any other game for that matter, and someone comes out and says "THIS SHOULD TOTALLY COME OUT FOR THE WII." Huh?

Guys, cut it out with the "X game released for PS3/Xbox360 SHOULD TOTALLY BE RELEASED ON THE WII." Because hardware-wise, that's impossible if said games are made with the PS3 or Xbox360 in mind. Regardless of genre.

So there is nothing wrong with the idea that some games can't be handled by the Wii, no downscaling, no slowdown. The same port as the PS3 and Xbox360. Just like last gen. Maybe the Namco Developers wanted to give the best game they could, so the chose the most powerful consoles in the market to deliver it, just like Hideo Kojima and that Jackass from Ninja Gaiden, innovation or not, the Wii is not the strongest.

That's the risk that Nintendo took when they chose to deliver a fun but not as powerful console as the others, they are doing quite well with their plan.

And they only thing they DON'T need, is downscaled versions of games made with the PS3 and the Xbox360. They need more SC Legends, games that are made with the Wii and it's cool control scheme in mind.

It's no conspiracy, it's business.

Blackmyst
And no, I don't even OWN a PS3 or a Xbox 360, the only console I own is a Gamecube. They are not my favorite consoles and "XTREME GRAPHICS" isn't part of my soul, hell. My computer has an Ati Radeon 9000 ever since I built it, and I'm in no hurry to swap it. Keep name telling me all you want, it doesn't invalidate my point. It might be useful to you to call me names for the sake of considering my arguments absurd and putting me down, but it won't work, not with me. There is no reason to believe I'm a graphic whore.

And everyone stop calling everyone names, dammit.

[blackmyst]

Still ranting on like a moron running into a wall I see, as soon as you're finished being a retard you can get lost and never return. You don't even any point anymore, you just pulled the first insults you could out of your ass and hoped it would somehow offend me. Boo hoo, is the poor little kid upset at me? Tough shit, asshole. You're not contributing anything at all to this thread so fuck off.

Wait, you mean you say you're not repeating the same shit over and over? You mean to tell me you're contributing anything meaningful to the thread? Oh my, the hilarity! Waah waah but I'm having a meaningful discussion! Just admit you've got nothing and fuck off yourself, sport.


Edit: whoops.

[Joe Camacho]

Wait, you mean you say you're not repeating the same shit over and over? You mean to tell me you're contributing anything meaningful to the thread? Oh my, the hilarity! Waah waah but I'm having a meaningful discussion! Just admit you've got nothing and fuck off yourself, sport.

Me?

[Cyrus]

Wait, you mean you say you're not repeating the same shit over and over? You mean to tell me you're contributing anything meaningful to the thread? Oh my, the hilarity! Waah waah but I'm having a meaningful discussion! Just admit you've got nothing and fuck off yourself, sport.

Me?

No he's saying what I said to him back to me. He'll calm down as soon as he has his juice and his nap.

[Joe Camacho]

Wait, you mean you say you're not repeating the same shit over and over? You mean to tell me you're contributing anything meaningful to the thread? Oh my, the hilarity! Waah waah but I'm having a meaningful discussion! Just admit you've got nothing and fuck off yourself, sport.

Me?

No he's saying what I said to him back to me. He'll calm down as soon as he has his juice and his nap.

Both of you. Stop the name calling.

[Deathlike2]

God fucking dammit. I have said that while the GAMEPLAY can remain the same, it won't LOOK the same, it won't be the SAME game. I have repeatedly said it various times now. Look like Deathlike2 got my argument, even if he disagrees, and hey, it's cool.

The whole thing is subjective, as was originally said. This is why I hate console wars... people getting too anal about the consoles they prefer...

But seriously, who are the damn trolls? The guys that come to talk about SC4 for the PS3, the Xbox360.. Or any other game for that matter, and someone comes out and says "THIS SHOULD TOTALLY COME OUT FOR THE WII." Huh?

Guys, cut it out with the "X game released for PS3/Xbox360 SHOULD TOTALLY BE RELEASED ON THE WII." Because hardware-wise, that's impossible if said games are made with the PS3 or Xbox360 in mind. Regardless of genre.

So there is nothing wrong with the idea that some games can't be handled by the Wii, no downscaling, no slowdown. The same port as the PS3 and Xbox360. Just like last gen. Maybe the Namco Developers wanted to give the best game they could, so the chose the most powerful consoles in the market to deliver it, just like Hideo Kojima and that Jackass from Ninja Gaiden, innovation or not, the Wii is not the strongest.

That's the risk that Nintendo took when they chose to deliver a fun but not as powerful console as the others, they are doing quite well with their plan.

Bingo, you hit it on the head.

It's no conspiracy, it's business.

It always is man... it always is.

[adventure_of_link]

I like big butts and cannot lie...

Fixed.

What song was that?

Baby got back by Sir Mix-a-lot.

[blackmyst]

God fucking dammit. I have said that while the GAMEPLAY can remain the same, it won't LOOK the same, it won't be the SAME game. I have repeatedly said it various times now. Look like Deathlike2 got my argument, even if he disagrees, and hey, it's cool.

Why not releasing the same gameplay with stick figures? You don't care about the graphics, so play with Stick Figures instead. Even if it PLAYS the same, it won't LOOK the same, it isn't the same GAME.

Why released a halfbaked, graphical inferior version of a game, that is going to get two better looking versions in two different consoles? Why released it on a console that is ALREADY getting a console exclusive, made from the ground up to take advantage of Wii?

I've repeated my point several times, yet you keep repeating yours. That last paragraph is exactly what I'm talking about. Numerous times have I said, no, it won't look identical, yet it won't look nearly as bad as you make it out to be due to the kind of game that it is. Then you keep going on about how the Wii version won't look 100% the same, and how it will look shitty and "halfbaked". How about, next time you make a post, instead of me replying, you just read that sentence in italics up there again.

Not saying "THIS SHOULD TOTALLY COME OUT FOR THE WII." or anything else that you wrote in your longass post. Just that.

No he's saying what I said to him back to me. He'll calm down as soon as he has his juice and his nap.

Haha aww look at 'im. He's a big boy.

[Joe Camacho]

God fucking dammit. I have said that while the GAMEPLAY can remain the same, it won't LOOK the same, it won't be the SAME game. I have repeatedly said it various times now. Look like Deathlike2 got my argument, even if he disagrees, and hey, it's cool.

Why not releasing the same gameplay with stick figures? You don't care about the graphics, so play with Stick Figures instead. Even if it PLAYS the same, it won't LOOK the same, it isn't the same GAME.

Why released a halfbaked, graphical inferior version of a game, that is going to get two better looking versions in two different consoles? Why released it on a console that is ALREADY getting a console exclusive, made from the ground up to take advantage of Wii?

I've repeated my point several times, yet you keep repeating yours. That last paragraph is exactly what I'm talking about. Numerous times have I said, no, it won't look identical, yet it won't look nearly as bad as you make it out to be due to the kind of game that it is. Then you keep going on about how the Wii version won't look 100% the same, and how it will look shitty and "halfbaked". How about, next time you make a post, instead of me replying, you just read that sentence in italics up there again.

Not saying "THIS SHOULD TOTALLY COME OUT FOR THE WII." or anything else that you wrote in your longass post. Just that.

And I just say that if they release a downscaled port of a game developed with the PS3 or Xbox360 in mind, it won't look as good as them. So people with multiple consoles will get it for those, unless they manage to really add good motion sensoring gameplay into the game. If could release a visually similar game (Like SC2) on all 3 consoles, they could get even more sales, but if one of them is downgraded (Wii), they would have to depend on the motion sensoring. Why bother with all that if there is an exclusive game already in development?

And that the Wii needs more SC Legends, games with the Wii in mind during development, not downgraded ports of other consoles.

So: Can I get SC4 in the same gameplay and graphics in the Wii as in the PS3 or the Xbox360? If not, then my first post is correct, and there was no point on shitting on it.

[sweener2001]

it would look noticeably crappier. period.

gameplay might not even be intact, since the classic controller lacks buttons. it's all very simple stuff. and NOBODY buys a game like SC4 for new innovative control schemes.

i win

[Gil_Hamilton]

Well, even if they are named like that, they weren't the same games as the arcade games. NES contra is different from the Arcade Contra, even if they are named Contra. The same with Street Fighter 2.

Fair enough.
I think it's a silly stance.

Why is it absurd? Why would a game with different graphics be the same game? While talking about VIDEOGAMES, believe it or not, it's important what you SEE when you play the game.

I just don't count graphical identicalness as being enough to make or break a port vs adaptation/remake.

And no one would argue this because they didn't had a choice, but I remember that even with the Genesis Vs Super Nintendo "same games" they looked sort of different, or responded totally diferent, they weren't the same games. For example, Street Fighter II and Mortal Kombat. Or that licensed games like Jurassic Park were totally different across consoles.

I explicitly chose examples that were close to their source material for that reason.
I COULD have said Samurai Shodown, but that didn't get good home versions.

And Jurassic Park is well outside the bounds of portage.

Is it "wrong" for me to say, that now that we have had that, it's unfair for two consoles to get the "good" version while the other gets the "downscaled" one? Hell, why not replace all the characters with stick figures, THE GAMEPLAY WILL BE THE SAME.

Fair?
If you want to try that...
Is it fair for Wii-only gamers to be completely locked out of the game when a reasonable port COULD be made to their system?



And If you could get some stick figures to convey the appropriate mood, sure.
I'm not saying totally different paradigms work, that SC4 could be done on the NeoGeo, or by using gourad-shaded polys on the Saturn.

I'm saying it could be done on a system that can do the vast majority of bulletpoints supported by the PS360.
I might even be saying that there would be no obvious difference at the NTSC resolutions supported by the Wii and the displays most people own.

Shit on my "absurd" standpoint all you want, but it's like saying that the Mona Lisa at my Den is the SAME Mona Lisa Da Vinci painted, because it's a painting and looks sort of like it, even if it was impressed at some no-name furnitture company.

No, it's not the same, and me calling it the Mona Lisa won't make it the same.

No, it really isn't.
THE Mona Lisa refers to a single physical object.
You own A Mona Lisa.

There is no THE Soul Caliber 4. Except maybe deep in Namco's development studios.
The fact that it's a PS360 game means neither system is actually the target platform. The 2 systems aren't identical, or even very close(there's some serious architecture differences).

I never said it would be "bad", just different, different enough that it wouldn't be worth it, considering that:

- Two version of said game are heading into the home console market already.
- Both versions sport better graphics than the "downscaled" third port.
- There is a game from the same franchise in development for the third console.

I'd debate that both versions will look appreciably better on a standard-definition display. That's what most people own right now.

As for the two versions...
One of them is going to the worst-selling system of the bunch as well as the one with the smallest user base. And the best-selling console available right now is being snubbed.

I said that the Wii can’t handle the SC4 that’s going to be developed for the PS3 and the Xbox360, because thanks to last gen, I would EXPECT a good port of the game, not some downscale crap, even if it played the same.

During the Gameboy and Game Gear times, you would expect games released for the SNES, the Genesis and both handhelds, but you would know that the handhelds would be different, because they are different markets.

But the GC/Ps2/Xbox generation spoiled me, is that absurd? No, it’s just that now that we have that, I think it’s a step back to return to downscales and stuff. If things are going to made for the Wii, they should be made WITH the Wii in mind.

But we got downscaled stuff all the time last gen(see: Resident Evil 4). It just wasn't blatantly obvious most of the time.

And seriously, it's annoying to get into a new game thread, for the PS3 or the XBox360 just for some one to come and say "OH THIS SHOULD TOTALLY BE ON THE WII." Hell, maybe the developers want the game to be shiny, and not filled with stick figures. Let the other consoles get their pretty games.

I'm not saying it SHOULD be.
Just that there's no technical reason it CAN'T be.

And the Super Mario / Mario All-Stars thing would be good if BOTH games were released for different consoles at the same time, rather that first on the original NES and years later on the Super Nintendo. Which, even if they have the same GAMEPLAY, please don’t tell me they are the same GAME.

Look at what I was responding to with that.
He was comparing PoP on the 360 and... some unspecified older version. For all I know he meant the original Apple 2 one.

I was just saying that Mario 3 VS AllStars was a more realistic comparison, given they were much closer together.

And I thought the entire POINT of Mario AllStars was that it was the same games as the NES versions, just prettier.
Hell, from what I understand, they used the original NES code for most of it.

If I had the two games (For the sake of my argument, the Nes Marios were also compiled, with Nes graphics), with the different graphics, at release day, without any knowledge of the mario series (Not having played it, no nostalgia), on different consoles: I would choose Snes' Mario All-stars, why? Because it looks better than it's counterpart. It's the same gameplay, but looks better! What's wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing.
Same reason I get XCube 2 games on XBox.
Doesn't mean they're different games, though. Just that one version of the same game is better.

See: Prince of Persia.
Sure there's Apple 2, NES, Mac, SegaCD, SNES, TurboGrafX, etc versions, and they're all basically the same game(well, almost... SNES version is actually different in a non-AV sense)... but who in their right mind would grab the Apple 2 version for anything other than retro curiosity?

And don't go all elitist on me, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT, and denying that people don't rely on graphics to choose between the "same game" when they have to choose between two different console copies, is even MORE absurd that me being a "graphics whore".

A lot of people also go single-system.
Looks like there may be a lot of Wii-only households too.






Also: Cyrus is a raging moron.

[franpa]

i just think they make the games as cheaply as possible, and if they were to port it to a system of lessa capabilities then they would simply need to puut more effort into the coding because they simply cant just use lazy coding to make a game because the console simply isnt powerful enough.

[grinvader]

Hey guys, it's time for some power abuse.