Article: Unskilled and Unaware of It

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:10 am

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=406

I loved the thread on RHDN, so I'm posting it here.

It also has an Office Space pic and a reference to Dilbert.

Post by **odditude** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:24 am

sad, but hysterically true.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:36 am

Found that study when it first came out.

Basically, I still don't know how to politely tell someone they don't know enough to know that they don't know anything about the topic in question.

paulguy · Post by **paulguy** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:49 am

I'm pretty much the polar opposite.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:13 pm

The real mastery comes from being able to tell someone he/she is totally wrong without being rude at all (that is, the other person actually accepting it). He who understands deserved correction, he who doesn't, well, dhu.

Clements · Post by **Clements** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:15 pm

I also tend to underestimate myself. Constantly being around clever science guys does that to you.

Post by **grinvader** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:42 pm

I'm immune to the consensus effect since I'm a total ego-inflated bastard when it comes to stuff I know.
However I fix this by never having to estimate my skills. Woo !
Being rude while pointing out other people's stupid is in my job description, btw.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:55 am

I no longer tend to talk about what I can or can't do. Trying is a bit better, to assert correctly.

Post by **odditude** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:30 am

corronchilejano wrote:I no longer tend to talk about what I can or can't do. Trying is a bit better, to assert correctly.

Unfortunately, that doesn't help when you're trying to hire someone or plan a project and need to know who can do what well.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:58 am

odditude wrote:
corronchilejano wrote:I no longer tend to talk about what I can or can't do. Trying is a bit better, to assert correctly.
Unfortunately, that doesn't help when you're trying to hire someone or plan a project and need to know who can do what well.

That's what degrees are for. At the very least, you ask for experience. True some mayget those through faking/money/sex favors, but it's a bit more sure than just hiring someone just cause he says he can.

Post by **odditude** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:07 am

corronchilejano wrote:
odditude wrote:
corronchilejano wrote:I no longer tend to talk about what I can or can't do. Trying is a bit better, to assert correctly.
Unfortunately, that doesn't help when you're trying to hire someone or plan a project and need to know who can do what well.
That's what degrees are for. At the very least, you ask for experience. True some mayget those through faking/money/sex favors, but it's a bit more sure than just hiring someone just cause he says he can.

It also works the other way, when you have to put up with a hiring manager who can't tell good from crap.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:29 am

Working with lawyers with 20 to 30 years in the business makes a 4th year law school student feel like an idiot, even if you are able to ace your classes.

But it's for the best, it's better shut up and learn, to brag about being the shit and make a mistake, because no one cares that you ace, but when you blow it, EVERYONE is looking at you.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:04 am

They say in spanish, "Mas rapido cae un mentiroso que un cojo", somewhat like Faster falls a liar than a cripple. It doesn't really make much sense to brag once you're in the real world. You end up looking like a dick.

Panzer88 · Post by **Panzer88** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:11 am

I talk about shit I don't know but I know that I don't know

also

"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

what gets to me is not so much someone's ignorance, everyone is ignorant about some things, you can't know everything, but hopefully you are aware of your ignorance, and willing to try to learn

it is the people who are too self important and think they know it all. EVERYONE can always learn more.

and also the people who revel in ignorance, they like it, and like chaos, that is irritating

another thing that has been said, people who strongly dislike arrogance in others often suffer from a little arrogance themselves.

Snark · Post by **Snark** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:54 am

Deathlike2 wrote:http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=406

On the internet, there's something like 95% of people who have an I.Q of 150 and beyond (i.e: scores in the top 99.9%) and more than 95% place well above average in terms of looks.

For that to be mathematically possible, I guess you'd need to have 1% of people (i.e: the 1% who don't score above average) with IQ scores of minus20654 or something to balance things out, and with looks so horrible it disrupt one's DNA integrity just by looking at them.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:27 am

I for one, am WAY below that inteligence and way below that looks average. The internets lied to me.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:27 am

Snark wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=406
On the internet, there's something like 95% of people who have an I.Q of 150 and beyond (i.e: scores in the top 99.9%) and more than 95% place well above average in terms of looks.

For that to be mathematically possible, I guess you'd need to have 1% of people (i.e: the 1% who don't score above average) with IQ scores of minus20654 or something to balance things out, and with looks so horrible it disrupt one's DNA integrity just by looking at them.

it may very well be likely, because IQ is (or at least what I was told) stratified by age. If you put all ages with high IQ's into the same bin, you'll get a really high number, but a number that is complete nonsense to express as an overall percentage

Snark · Post by **Snark** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:05 am

whicker wrote: it may very well be likely, because IQ is (or at least what I was told) stratified by age.

Alright, I probably suffer from low Ayecuetus because I don't see how this is likely.

According to what I read, approximately only 1 in a 1000 have an IQ of 150 or more...Now, according to the folks on teh internets, that number rise to something like 1 in 3 people... Something doesn't add up. Either only members of the Triple Nine Society post on the internet...or there' a lot of bullshit going on with people making up large scores, or they're taking pseudo IQ tests that gives ridiculously high, non-standardized results.

edit: Ok, I get what you're saying, but results are supposed to be "averaged" aren't they? So that if you score in the average of the adult population your score is supposed to be near 100.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:53 pm

Snark wrote:there' a lot of bullshit going on with people making up large scores, or they're taking pseudo IQ tests that gives ridiculously high, non-standardized results.

agree. I bow out of this discussion.

good day, sirs.

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