ZSNES on DOS and TV-OUT

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ZSNES on DOS and TV-OUT

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Hi,

i have a little problem.

i have installed a DOS 6.22 on my old computer. then i have configured the zsnes to autostart of dos.

i have no mouse or keyboard at my computer. i make all inputs with the gamepad.

all of this work fine. but i have another problem. i want to use a tv-out, so that i can work with the computer on tv.
but i have no tv-out on my grafikcard.

i don't know if it works with tv-out and dos? can i get a screen on tv in dos mode? or need i a spezial grafikcard?


that must i know befor i buy a grafikcard with tv-out.


soory for my poor english. :oops:

thx Thomas
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I'm pretty sure you need a video/graphics card that can output onto a T.V.
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snkcube wrote:I'm pretty sure you need a video/graphics card that can output onto a T.V.
Heh. Isn't that quite obvious? :mrgreen: No TV-Out == No ZSNES on a real TV. Or get a real SNES.
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Post by blackmyst »

I tried TV-out once back when Zsnes windows didn't exist yet. I got a grayscale image that cut off large parts of the bottom and right of the screen.

I think you'd have to write a whole new DOS TV-out driver. Which is obviously not going to happen.

If you really want a separate Zsnes machine I suggect you get a pentium 500 somewhere for a tenner (or such). Then you can run the windows version. You'll be able to get a correct screen ratio too.
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Re: ZSNES on DOS and TV-OUT

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thomasheiser wrote:i want to use a tv-out, so that i can work with the computer on tv.
but i have no tv-out on my grafikcard.

i don't know if it works with tv-out and dos? can i get a screen on tv in dos mode? or need i a spezial grafikcard?


that must i know befor i buy a grafikcard with tv-out.
I believe you'd have to get a fairly old TV-Out card such as one from the Targa line, they were used for video editing long before Win95 was mainstream and had DOS drivers, though I'm not sure about which video modes were supported by those.
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Post by whicker »

Even a new "budget" card from ATI with TV-out is going to autodetect a television connection.

Seriously, all you do after installing the card is to make sure the monitor is disconnected, and the television is on and connected. Then you turn on the computer, simple as that.
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Post by Noxious Ninja »

whicker wrote:Even a new "budget" card from ATI with TV-out is going to autodetect a television connection.

Seriously, all you do after installing the card is to make sure the monitor is disconnected, and the television is on and connected. Then you turn on the computer, simple as that.
Yep, my crappy i810 motherboard does that. No drivers necessary. Even the BIOS display works with TV-out.
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Post by Esturk »

Noxious Ninja wrote:
whicker wrote:Even a new "budget" card from ATI with TV-out is going to autodetect a television connection.

Seriously, all you do after installing the card is to make sure the monitor is disconnected, and the television is on and connected. Then you turn on the computer, simple as that.
Yep, my crappy i810 motherboard does that. No drivers necessary. Even the BIOS display works with TV-out.
Yeah, same here with my FX5200 and every other TV-out card I've used, old and new.
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Post by thomasheiser »

ok, i think i buy me a old grafikcard at ebay and test it.

does it matter what grafikcard it is, or work this on all cards with tv-out?
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Any graphics card that will output the same thing on all outputs without setting up anything special will work fine.
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Post by thomasheiser »

i have buy me a grafic card.

SIS 8MB with tv-out and s-video.

the tv-out works perfekt while booting. but in the zsnes (btw i'm too stupid to learn the name of the emulator) i have problems.

when i use vesa 1 the outpus is ok.
at all other modes there is no output.

at vesa 1 can only configure 640x480@16B. And this is to much for my pc. i have only 233 Mhz.

what can i do?

why does vesa2 not work? what must i do to use vesa1 on a smaller size.



thx Thomas
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You most likely have to get SciTech Display Doctor if you want VESA2 support out of that SiS of yours...
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Agozer wrote:You most likely have to get SciTech Display Doctor if you want VESA2 support out of that SiS of yours...
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grinvader wrote:
Agozer wrote:You most likely have to get SciTech Display Doctor if you want VESA2 support out of that SiS of yours...
Ah, the memories...
Don't ask for 'r3gged sci tech display d0ctor serial numbahZ' or anything stupid like that.
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thomasheiser wrote:i have buy me a grafic card.

SIS 8MB with tv-out and s-video.

the tv-out works perfekt while booting. but in the zsnes (btw i am dumb) i have problems.

when i use vesa 1 the outpus is ok.
at all other modes there is no output.

at vesa 1 can only configure 640x480@16B. And this is to much for my pc. i have only 233 Mhz.

what can i do?

why does vesa2 not work? what must i do to use vesa1 on a smaller size.



thx Thomas
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Post by Dead »

I'll never forget the time I used SciTech to set my refresh rate to something my old monitor couldn't handle. The only way to save myself was to boot in safe mode. Back then I didn't know the exact way of booting in safe mode. I had no manuals, I obviously couldn't go online, I was about to give up.

After some trial and error, I discovered the magic method of hitting that F-key at just the right moment, to get into safe mode. Why cant Microsoft just print a brief message on the screen telling you which key to press, and when to press it? Why must they frustrate the user whose only hope is to boot into safe mode, but doesn't know how?
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Syvalion wrote:Why cant Microsoft just print a brief message on the screen telling you which key to press, and when to press it? Why must they frustrate the user whose only hope is to boot into safe mode, but doesn't know how?
I've been wondering that myself as well, although I've always known wht keys to press during boot. Microsoft is being a bitch.
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Agozer wrote:
Syvalion wrote:Why cant Microsoft just print a brief message on the screen telling you which key to press, and when to press it? Why must they frustrate the user whose only hope is to boot into safe mode, but doesn't know how?
I've been wondering that myself as well, although I've always known wht keys to press during boot. Microsoft is being a bitch.
Hmm, it would be nice if Microsoft put some message during booting about safe mode. Good thing I know what button to press.
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Agozer wrote:You most likely have to get SciTech Display Doctor if you want VESA2 support out of that SiS of yours...
the Display Doctor do not work correct.
i have some output at vesa 1 and 2, but not the right output.

i see a screen with black and white.

what can i do?

edit: my grafic card has vesa 2 support!!! but only at tv-out it don't work.
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Post by thomasheiser »

i have test more options with the SciTech Display Doctor.

when i start SciTech Display Doctor without the linear frame buffer i get a output on tv-out at vesa 1. it is the same without SciTech Display Doctor.
and i get some more outputs at VESA2. but ohne the big sized. 640x480. that is to much for my pc.
what must/can i configure (at SciTech Display Doctor or ZSNES) that 320x240@16bit works?
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Post by funkyass »

get a better video card?

you might be outta of luck in trying to do this from dos.
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For the record, I always play ZSNES through my tv, which leads me to a question I have.

My tv displays both 800x600 and 1024x768 perfectly well, but unless I change the res to 800x600, ZSNES flickers green on my tv. It works absolutely fine, but it's just irritating to have to change res.

BTW, I would STRONGLY suggest everyone trying to play through their tv at least once - with the SNES controller adapter as well, it really is like playing a SNES, and that is oh so much fun. Especially Super Mario World, through surround sound. :D :D :D :D
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