Final Fantasy II End Credits Bug.

MikeGoofy3627 · Post by **MikeGoofy3627** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:18 am

When I saw the Final Fantasy II Credits, I noticed that in the middle of under Special Thanks To... It zooms in of K.Koizumi to H.Tanaka, then it spins around and fades and The End comes in quickly as the Music continues playing. But I want the Final Fantasy II End Credits to be in Sync with the End Credits Music and the words Presented by Square to be zoom in and spins around and fades before The End comes in when the End Credits music is finished.

Cart Name: FINAL FANTASY 2
Header: SWC
Interleaved: No
Type: Normal + Batt
Country: USA
ROM Speed: 200ns (SlowROM)
Checksum: Good 0x7728

Company: Square
Bank: LoROM
SRAM: 64kb
Size: 8mb
Video: NTSC
Version: 1.1
CRC32: 23084FCD

Let's hope that Final Fantasy II End Credits will run from Final Fantasy II Staff to Presented by Square and then The End.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:14 am

MikeGoofy3627 wrote:When I saw the Final Fantasy II Credits, I noticed that in the middle of under Special Thanks To... It zooms in of K.Koizumi to H.Tanaka, then it spins around and fades and The End comes in quickly as the Music continues playing. But I want the Final Fantasy II End Credits to be in Sync with the End Credits Music and the words Presented by Square to be zoom in and spins around and fades before The End comes in when the End Credits music is finished.

You want it to be, or it is supposed to be? Big difference.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:14 am

Ah... You are requesting for the credits to change or you are reporting that the end credits are not right? I can't figure it out.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:40 am

I'm pretty sure it was what meant to happen as the original poster said (ZSNES somehow does it incorrectly). Last time I checked, Snes9x doesn't have this problem though...

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:36 pm

Ok, I'll explain this better than the original poster.

When you've beaten FF2 and get to the credits screen where the text scrolls from the bottom to the top, it seems that something in ZSNES that says "I'm at the end" very early and then does some funky stuff with the text and the audio that it is currently playing switches to a finishing tune (technically the same or a different tune) and then eventually shows "The End".

Anything past the funky text is normal (and done correctly in ZSNES), but it does it too early. The credits are supposed to end up at "Thanks for playing" (and I guess it is supposed to tell ZSNES it's done) and then go do the funky stuff with the text. The audio is also supposed to keep looping (it seems to only goes to one iteration in ZSNES) and then switch to the end tune.

If you need a screenshot of what happens and the savestate, please let me know. It occurs in EVERY version of the ROM (if I need to post that info too, please let me know) which are FF2 v1.0 FF2 v1.1 and FF4 (Jap version).

If I provide a savestate, they will have data inside of it "patched" via IPS (in other words, my ROMs are auto-IPS patched via ZSNES) and I can provide you with the IPS if necessary. However, these IPS patches have NO effect on the credits bug.

Also, this bug is a LONG STANDING bug in ZSNES from "way back"... strangely enough, it does NOT occur in Snes9x (and way older versions of Snes9x as well).

Dmog · Post by **Dmog** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:15 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:Ok, I'll explain this better than the original poster.

When you've beaten FF2 and get to the credits screen where the text scrolls from the bottom to the top, it seems that something in ZSNES that says "I'm at the end" very early and then does some funky stuff with the text and the audio that it is currently playing switches to a finishing tune (technically the same or a different tune) and then eventually shows "The End".

Anything past the funky text is normal (and done correctly in ZSNES), but it does it too early. The credits are supposed to end up at "Thanks for playing" (and I guess it is supposed to tell ZSNES it's done) and then go do the funky stuff with the text. The audio is also supposed to keep looping (it seems to only goes to one iteration in ZSNES) and then switch to the end tune.

If you need a screenshot of what happens and the savestate, please let me know. It occurs in EVERY version of the ROM (if I need to post that info too, please let me know) which are FF2 v1.0 FF2 v1.1 and FF4 (Jap version).

If I provide a savestate, they will have data inside of it "patched" via IPS (in other words, my ROMs are auto-IPS patched via ZSNES) and I can provide you with the IPS if necessary. However, these IPS patches have NO effect on the credits bug.

Also, this bug is a LONG STANDING bug in ZSNES from "way back"... strangely enough, it does NOT occur in Snes9x (and way older versions of Snes9x as well).

Why "strangely enough"? 9x has always been more accurate than Z afaik, or at least, it's been more accurate since a long time ago.

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:25 pm

Dmog wrote:
Why "strangely enough"? 9x has always been more accurate than Z afaik, or at least, it's been more accurate since a long time ago.

I always thought that it was the other way around dot dot dot

Post by **Nach** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:45 pm

Depends for what.
Snes9x has had the accuracy for CPU.
ZSNES has had the sound accuracy and had the the most coproccessor support.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:54 pm

I personally do not care about the accuracy of either.. I think both are at par except for minor things ZSNES does incorrectly.

It's that these minor imperfections that really need to be fixed... because it will fix other things down the line that the creators did not envision in the first place...

But that's not what the thread was about... it's about a bug that continues to exist in ZSNES from the beginning.. and I'd like to know if you wanted to fix it... at least look at fixing it...

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:22 pm

All I care about, is that I can play the majority of games and be 100% happy with the result.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:38 am

NSRT Output:

---------------------Internal ROM Info----------------------
File: Final Fantasy 2 (V1.0) (U).smc
Name: FINAL FANTASY II Company: Square
Header: SWC Bank: LoROM
Interleaved: No SRAM: 64 Kb
Type: Normal + Batt ROM: 8 Mb
Country: USA Video: NTSC
ROM Speed: 200ns (SlowROM) Revision: 1.0
Checksum: Good 0x85F0 CRC32: 65D0A825
--------------------------Database--------------------------
Name: Final Fantasy II
Country: USA Revision: 1.0
Port 1: Gamepad Port 2: Gamepad
Genre 1: RPG Genre 2: Turn Based

---------------------Internal ROM Info----------------------
File: Final Fantasy 2 (V1.1) (U).smc
Name: FINAL FANTASY 2 Company: Square
Header: SWC Bank: LoROM
Interleaved: No SRAM: 64 Kb
Type: Normal + Batt ROM: 8 Mb
Country: USA Video: NTSC
ROM Speed: 200ns (SlowROM) Revision: 1.1
Checksum: Good 0x7728 CRC32: 23084FCD
--------------------------Database--------------------------
Name: Final Fantasy II
Country: USA Revision: 1.1
Port 1: Gamepad Port 2: Gamepad
Genre 1: RPG Genre 2: Turn Based

---------------------Internal ROM Info----------------------
File: Final Fantasy 4 (J).smc
Name: FINAL FANTASY 4 Company: Square
Header: SWC Bank: LoROM
Interleaved: No SRAM: 64 Kb
Type: Normal + Batt ROM: 8 Mb
Country: Japan Video: NTSC
ROM Speed: 200ns (SlowROM) Revision: 1.1
Checksum: Good 0xACCC CRC32: CAA15E97
--------------------------Database--------------------------
Name: Final Fantasy IV
Country: Japan Revision: 1.1
Port 1: Gamepad Port 2: Gamepad
Genre 1: RPG Genre 2: Turn Based

---------------------Internal ROM Info----------------------
File: Final Fantasy 4 - Easy (J).smc
Name: FINAL FANTASY 4 EASY Company: Square
Header: SWC Bank: LoROM
Interleaved: No SRAM: 64 Kb
Type: Normal + Batt ROM: 8 Mb
Country: Japan Video: NTSC
ROM Speed: 200ns (SlowROM) Revision: 1.0
Checksum: Good 0x78E3 CRC32: 6CDA700C
--------------------------Database--------------------------
Name: Final Fantasy IV - Easy Type
Country: Japan Revision: 1.0
Port 1: Gamepad Port 2: Gamepad
Genre 1: RPG Genre 2: Turn Based

Ok, here are the files that will explain the problem...

http://users.wpi.edu/~syip05/Images/ff2bug.png - the text is enlarged for whatever reason
http://users.wpi.edu/~syip05/Images/ff2.zst - savestate that will show the problem, wait a few seconds before it will occur.. you should be using it with FF2 version 1.0 of the ROM. Using version 1.1 may be OK... I'm not sure if it applies to the FF4 Jap Easytype version.. but I've included it anyways, since it is essentially FF2 and it probably occurs there as well by design.

I will show what it is supposed to look like.. if you need it.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:04 am

http://users.wpi.edu/~syip05/Images/ff2ok.png - this pic shows what is supposed to occur at that position (it doesn't enlarge itself)

http://users.wpi.edu/~syip05/Images/ff2enlarge.png - this pic shows where the enlargement is supposed to happen

Also of note, the ending credits music kinda desyncs at some point (I don't know why, but it is probably due to the bug). It occurs when the "The End" text shows up and stays there for a while (the music trails off at the wrong time/place)

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:08 am

Please ignore the yellow text that is used in Snes9x.. I'm using as IPS patch (hence the yellow text)..

The bug occurs whether or not I use the IPS patch... I will repeat again... this bug has existed in ZSNES from WAY BACK.... I started using ZSNES when it had sound (because games felt incomplete w/o sound, even though stuff like ADSR/GAIN and whatever wasn't implemented yet...)

Any dev... would you please at least look at this?

Post by **pagefault** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:12 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:Please ignore the yellow text that is used in Snes9x.. I'm using as IPS patch (hence the yellow text)..

The bug occurs whether or not I use the IPS patch... I will repeat again... this bug has existed in ZSNES from WAY BACK.... I started using ZSNES when it had sound (because games felt incomplete w/o sound, even though stuff like ADSR/GAIN and whatever wasn't implemented yet...)

Any dev... would you please at least look at this?

This will be a tough one to fix since I have no idea what could be causing it. It might be IRQ related or maybe even timing related but I will try to debug the code and find out whats really going on with it.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:17 pm

Thanks for looking at it pagefault.

Just report back whenever you can...

jojjy · Post by **jojjy** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:50 am

Nach wrote:ZSNES has had the sound accuracy

That's a laugh

Dmog · Post by **Dmog** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:15 am

Kieran wrote:
Dmog wrote:
Why "strangely enough"? 9x has always been more accurate than Z afaik, or at least, it's been more accurate since a long time ago.
I always thought that it was the other way around dot dot dot

That's what you thought when you saw your first non-homo porn movie? (kidding) Seriously, "dot dot dot" how weird.

Post by **Nach** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:42 am

jojjy wrote:
Nach wrote:ZSNES has had the sound accuracy
That's a laugh

If you think it's laughable, you haven't listened to Snes9x back then.

Johan_H · Post by **Johan_H** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:07 am

SNES9X plays the music in the Chrono Trigger intro too fast. Or the graphics too slow.

SquareHead · Post by **SquareHead** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:21 am

Heh, way back when... Anyone remember the birds? It was classic. zsnes has come quite a ways. What ever happened that caused a great surge in the accuracy of the sound core (If I remember right, at the time the spc was undocumented and attempts to re were few)? I remember that after a couple of versions all of the sudden sound was much better.

Dead · Post by **Dead** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:25 pm

I likely am incorrect, but my impression is that Matthew Kendora was responsible for that.

edit: or kode54. or someone.

Shoot, I shouldn't have hit "reply"

Stifu · Post by **Stifu** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:56 pm

Johan_Hanberg wrote:SNES9X plays the music in the Chrono Trigger intro too fast. Or the graphics too slow.

I tried it with Snes9x v1.43 and the music in Chrono Trigger wasn't too fast...
Although that made me notice a bug in ZSNES, there's a display bug with the Black Omen in the intro... I think I already heard bug report about the Black Omen before.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:03 pm

I thought that was fixed in 1.42? Maybe it was after that. I'm not sure.

Stifu · Post by **Stifu** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:37 pm

Noxious Ninja wrote:I thought that was fixed in 1.42? Maybe it was after that. I'm not sure.

Never mind, I WAS using v1.42 when I tried that, but it's fixed in the last WIP.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:35 am

Back to the original problem...

Any updates pagefault?

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