Help with slow down of sound in ZSNES and frame rate

HonoredShadow · Post by **HonoredShadow** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:53 pm

Im confused. I just cant get my head round this. Basically all i want is to have no tearing on screen but...

Ok here goes. On SNES9x (latest) if i click double buffer the fps indicator goes down from 60/60 on an NTSC game to 50/60 fps but the sound/music is playing at the SAME speed no matter what.

On ZSNES (latest) if i click triple buffer then the frame rate does the same. The fps indicator goes from 60/60 to 50/60 BUT the sound is slower and i think maybe the gameplay is to.

I guess this does not affect PAL games... Why is this happening? Is this the way it happened on a real SNES? Were games slower on PAL?

Also i get screen tearing on both emu's if i dont have double/triple buffer on but ZSNES sound slows but not SNES9x. Its not that my PC is not powerfull enough. The program is being limited for some reason when i turn it on. Why?

How come i can have 60/60fps in NTSC games, 50/50fps in PAL games and double/triple buffer on to stop tearing to?

See! I dont get it lol. Any ideas would be very greatfull. If it is MENT to slow down to 50fps then fair enough. I just cant understand why it sounds slower in one emu and not another.

Thanks all!

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:50 pm

PAL games run at 50fps while NTSC games run at 60fps.

Start Zsnes with the -6 switch so it forces your monitor to 60Hz refresh. Enable Automatic Frameskip and the Manual Frmeskip setting at 9. enable VSync and/or Triple Buffering.

Do not play PAL games.

HonoredShadow · Post by **HonoredShadow** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:13 pm

How do enable -6? is it just at the end odf the command line? like:

\ZSNES\zsnesw.exe -6

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:19 pm

Yep.

You can also try it without the -6 switch, eg. just Triple Buffering in 640x480 DR fullscreen. It should work all out nicely if your monitor runs at 120 Hz in this resolution.

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:21 pm

creaothceann wrote:Yep.

You can also try it without the -6 switch, eg. just Triple Buffering in 640x480 DR fullscreen. It should work all out nicely if your monitor runs at 120 Hz in this resolution.

Well, 120Hz/100Hz is KitchenSync only, and not so widely supported by monitors.

HonoredShadow · Post by **HonoredShadow** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:22 pm

Thanks. Also what are the best sound options to use for best quality? I see options like 8poinr interpolation etc... My PC is good enough for best. What would that be?

Thanks all for your help.

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:22 pm

Agozer:
No, I don't mean KitchenSync. 120 Hz just gives ZSNES more time to sync the game to the monitor. Just to be sure if your PC isn't the fastest one.

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:22 pm

HonoredShadow wrote:Thanks. Also what are the best sound options to use for best quality? I see options like 8poinr interpolation etc... My PC is good enough for best. What would that be?

Thanks all for your help.

Gaussian is what the real SNES used, so I'm using that.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:26 pm

Also you mat wany to set the sampling rate to 48kHz (or whatever the highest setting is) by clicking on it in the sound config.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:39 pm

creaothceann wrote:Agozer:
No, I don't mean KitchenSync. 120 Hz just gives ZSNES more time to sync the game to the monitor. Just to be sure if your PC isn't the fastest one.

No, running at 120hz means your monitor doesn't flicker like hell giving you a headache, while being an even multiple of 60 hz so the game doesn't stutter.

HonoredShadow · Post by **HonoredShadow** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:40 pm

Im using a TV so i dont get that problem. The only problem i had was tearing and that has now been solved thanks to these guys.

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:45 pm

Then it's all good. We can drop the KitchenSync debate.

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:13 pm

adventure_of_link wrote:Also you mat wany to set the sampling rate to 48kHz (or whatever the highest setting is) by clicking on it in the sound config.

WTF. The SNES uses a 32000-Hz sampling rate, dude. Depending on your audio card, asking for 48000 will only make you blow in the wind.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:18 am

Ok ok grinvader, I take that suggestion back... so here... a kitten for you.

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:54 pm

adventure_of_link wrote: so here... a kitten for you.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT ALL ABOUT? EVERY POST IN RELATION TO GRIN HAS TO DO WITH A FUCKING KITTEN! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

Post by **Agozer** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:20 pm

Kieran wrote:
adventure_of_link wrote: so here... a kitten for you.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT ALL ABOUT? EVERY POST IN RELATION TO GRIN HAS TO DO WITH A FUCKING KITTEN! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?

Grin feasts on kittens, you know.

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:35 pm

Agozer wrote:
Kieran wrote:
adventure_of_link wrote: so here... a kitten for you.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT ALL ABOUT? EVERY POST IN RELATION TO GRIN HAS TO DO WITH A FUCKING KITTEN! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?
Grin feasts on kittens, you know.

Yeah. That point has been made clear many, many times.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:11 pm

Kieran wrote:<nice big caps>

Heh. So says the guy that thinks I'm a nice, wonderful person.

Post by **grinvader** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:39 pm

Kieran wrote:
Agozer wrote:Grin feasts on kittens, you know.
Yeah. That point has been made clear many, many times.

Can't be any clearer.

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:15 pm

grinvader wrote:
Kieran wrote:
Agozer wrote:Grin feasts on kittens, you know.
Yeah. That point has been made clear many, many times.

Can't be any clearer.

What I meant by my mini rant was that I was annoyed that everyone keeps on woth this fucking kitten joke, especially AoL. It's retarded.

adventure_of_link wrote:
Kieran wrote:<nice big caps>
Heh. So says the guy that thinks I'm a nice, wonderful person.

When did I say that? Are you being sarcastic?

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:26 pm

Kieran wrote:When did I say that? Are you being sarcastic?

Dude... Remember this:

Kieran wrote:
adventure_of_link wrote:Not a problem dude, glad to help.
Why the fruity site (CR) did you use a cool smiley?
I'm just kidding, you're a wonderful person.

Also:

In my This sucks thread, Kieran wrote:You are a great man, man.

So don't even deny it.
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kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:43 pm

Holy Jesus, you actually took that seriously. Firstly:

Kieran wrote:
adventure_of_link wrote:Not a problem dude, glad to help.
Why the fruity site (CR) did you use a cool smiley?
I'm just kidding, you're a wonderful person.

I was taking the piss out of you. That is a line from Futurama, said by Flexo. He would really mock the shit out of someone, and then say "I'm just kidding, you're a wonderful person. Also, you pissed me off by using that "cool" smiley. Kind of arrogant.
Secondly:

In my This sucks thread, Kieran wrote:You are a great man, man.

Once again, I was mocking you, in particular your use of the word "man". I thought you would pick up on this, seeing as I used the word twice. You were basically saying in that thread" I am a great a kind human being".

So to sum up... I do not think that I have ever said a kind word of you.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:38 am

The point is, you still said I was a wonderful person, whether you were faking it or not.

kieran_ · Post by **kieran_** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:50 pm