UCLA student gets tased for not having his student ID card

Lizking · Post by **Lizking** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:25 am

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11 ... ed-in.html

Man, he totally got what was coming to him. First, although it isn't recorded, it's obvious that he was beligerent to the cops. then, after he got tased, and fell to the floor because he's such an unamerican pansy, he refused to stand up when the Officers of the Law told him to. At one point, he said "THIS IS YOUR PATRIOT ACT!" implying that there was something wrong with both the conduct of the officers, AND the patriot act. Finally, he resisted arrest, but kept saying "I'M NOT FIGHTING YOU!", even though he obviously was.

gg UCLAPD.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:09 am

We need more manditory civics classes, so morons know the difference between civil disobedience and resisting arrest, and if cops are coming towards you,that you are already in trouble, and when cops give the oppurtinity to leave, take it.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:39 am

funkyass wrote:We need more manditory civics classes, so morons know the difference between civil disobedience and resisting arrest, and if cops are coming towards you,that you are already in trouble, and when cops give the oppurtinity to leave, take it.

Sadly, sometimes it is one person's civic duty to be a total douchebag. Keep that in mind.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:41 am

Deathlike2 wrote:
funkyass wrote:We need more manditory civics classes, so morons know the difference between civil disobedience and resisting arrest, and if cops are coming towards you,that you are already in trouble, and when cops give the oppurtinity to leave, take it.
Sadly, sometimes it is one person's civic duty to be a total douchebag. Keep that in mind.

Hmm, was that sarcasm or did you mean something by it?

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:49 am

casualsax3 wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:
funkyass wrote:We need more manditory civics classes, so morons know the difference between civil disobedience and resisting arrest, and if cops are coming towards you,that you are already in trouble, and when cops give the oppurtinity to leave, take it.
Sadly, sometimes it is one person's civic duty to be a total douchebag. Keep that in mind.
Hmm, was that sarcasm or did you mean something by it?

Sarcasm. Though, seriously... there are people who stand for something, even if the cause is completely silly.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:51 am

Deathlike2 wrote:
casualsax3 wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:
funkyass wrote:We need more manditory civics classes, so morons know the difference between civil disobedience and resisting arrest, and if cops are coming towards you,that you are already in trouble, and when cops give the oppurtinity to leave, take it.
Sadly, sometimes it is one person's civic duty to be a total douchebag. Keep that in mind.
Hmm, was that sarcasm or did you mean something by it?
Sarcasm. Though, seriously... there are people who stand for something, even if the cause is completely silly.

If the cause is silly, then it's not civic duty.

darkbenny · Post by **darkbenny** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:04 am

that was cool

PHoNyMiKe · Post by **PHoNyMiKe** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:10 am

leave it to a bunch of pussy vegetarian college students to stand up for something that's meaningless. when the cop says "stand up or you're getting tazed again" he refuses. had he said "I can't stand up I'm in severe pain" then that'd be a key to a cop to stop the shit. but this little bitch takes the opportunity to shout "here's your patriot act" and other peta bullshit. plus all the other little punks "I want your badge number," mind your own business you little bitch.

let that be a lesson to all the other bitches in that college that if they want to voice their worthless opinion on anything, to not make a ruckus involving cops.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:45 am

Gandhi stood(ok, sat a lot) for something.

this dipshit probably doesn't know who Gandhi is.

Actually, he got the full force of a police force that his city fostered.

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:02 pm

This looks like police brutality to me.

phOnYmIkE wrote:when the cop says "stand up or you're getting tazed again" he refuses

The police SHOULD be a bit more patient. I wouldn't respect that kind of authority. (Which in fact I don't).

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:33 pm

If the dude had been carrying his I.D. Card like he *should* have been in the first place, none of this would have happen.

Then again, when someone shouts "DON'T TOUCH ME! DON'T TOUCH ME!". I wouldn't think he is going to surrender without any struggle.

If they handcuff him and try to carry him away and he still struggles. Well dude, you are screwed.

If he had complied to the officers orders instead of going all radical on them, he wouldn't have been tazed.

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:12 pm

Um I don't have to show my ID at university.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:23 pm

Neo Kaiser wrote:Um I don't have to show my ID at university.

Well, it depends on what the ID is used for.

When I went to college, the ID was used for practically everything... getting into dorms, food (paid-for-foodservice), library checkouts, etc.

In any case, no ID means you're screwed.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:23 pm

Neo Kaiser wrote:Um I don't have to show my ID at university.

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

PFUNK · Post by **PFUNK** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:43 pm

Are you making a point?

I think you are trying to make a point.

Please continue to try to make a point.

This text is growing EXPONENTIALLY.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:45 pm

PFUNK wrote:
Are you making a point?

I think you are trying to make a point.

Please continue to try to make a point.

This text is growing EXPONENTIALLY.

*yes*

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:47 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:
Neo Kaiser wrote:Um I don't have to show my ID at university.
Well, it depends on what the ID is used for.

When I went to college, the ID was used for practically everything... getting into dorms, food (paid-for-foodservice), library checkouts, etc.

In any case, no ID means you're screwed.

In my case I don't have to use the ID to to use a computer at University. Only if I want to reserve books at the library and that's the only thing that they ask the ID for. BTW Joe's point fails miserably.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:03 pm

Neo Kaiser wrote:In my case I don't have to use the ID to to use a computer at University. Only if I want to reserve books at the library and that's the only thing that they ask the ID for. BTW Joe's point fails miserably.

your university != UCLA.

Its one of the largest campuses on the continent, and you'd think they'd get lax with security?

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:08 pm

funkyass wrote:
Neo Kaiser wrote:In my case I don't have to use the ID to to use a computer at University. Only if I want to reserve books at the library and that's the only thing that they ask the ID for. BTW Joe's point fails miserably.
your university != UCLA.

Its one of the largest campuses on the continent, and you'd think they'd get lax with security?

Really! wow now it makes a lot of sense. I wish that I had the opportunity to study in one of those huge university where you can get lost. My University is the size of a High School.

Demios · Post by **Demios** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:46 pm

Bottom line is the shit is fucking not right. I will be an asshole if I want to be an asshole, I'll get what is coming to me. What was the reason they used a taser on him in the first place? Would they have shot him if they had guns and not tasers? if you want to arrest the bitch, cuff him and drag him to the fucking car. Bottom line, the guy is an asshole, the officers were bigger assholes abusing power. The end.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:25 am

Demios wrote:Bottom line is the shit is fucking not right. I will be an asshole if I want to be an asshole, I'll get what is coming to me. What was the reason they used a taser on him in the first place? Would they have shot him if they had guns and not tasers? if you want to arrest the bitch, cuff him and drag him to the fucking car. Bottom line, the guy is an asshole, the officers were bigger assholes abusing power. The end.

They did handcuff him. He still struggled.

Also, before the cops arrived, he refused to leave when the inspector told him to. After he had broken the rule of being there without and ID.

The point is, if he hadn't been an asshole ("Don't TOUCH ME!") he wouldn't have been tazed.

Even better: If he had LEFT when the personel in the library told him to leave because he didn't had an ID, instead of waiting for the cops to show up... He wouldn't had been tazed.

So, the COPS need to show up just so someone has to obey the rules? That is something that is WRONG. So until someone that can taze/pepper gas/tear gas/handcuff you arrives you start obeying the rules?

Also, cops carry tazers *so* they don't have to shoot/scare people with guns.

Situations were the cops abuse power:
- Creating situations that appear as crimes to ask for a bribe.
- Planting evidence.
- Enter private property without an order for an investigation.
- Etc.

Using tazers to restrain someone that refuses to comply? That's fair. Also, using tazers is a safer way to cuff someone and drag him to the car.

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:44 am

He should at least show the the admission papers if he carried them.

Demios · Post by **Demios** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:23 am

Joe Camacho wrote:
Demios wrote:Bottom line is the shit is fucking not right. I will be an asshole if I want to be an asshole, I'll get what is coming to me. What was the reason they used a taser on him in the first place? Would they have shot him if they had guns and not tasers? if you want to arrest the bitch, cuff him and drag him to the fucking car. Bottom line, the guy is an asshole, the officers were bigger assholes abusing power. The end.
The point is, if he hadn't been an asshole ("Don't TOUCH ME!") he wouldn't have been tazed.

So until someone that can taze/pepper gas/tear gas/handcuff you arrives you start obeying the rules?

Also, cops carry tazers *so* they don't have to shoot/scare people with guns.

Using tazers to restrain someone that refuses to comply? That's fair. Also, using tazers is a safer way to cuff someone and drag him to the car.

Really? Shit I was not aware that Cops were able to arrest people before tasers were invented. I forgot they have that reaching your arm towards your shoulder blade technique. he reserves every fucking right to tell someone not to fucking touch him. It is his fucking body. Unless he was told before had that he was under arrest. If he got touched. I'm sure he could get away with swinging at the cop. Then again that would be a reason to use a taser would it not.
I don't know where the fuck you got that it was fair. now correct me if I am wrong. Was there any kind of threat posed to the officers? Fair game my ass. It is why police officers cannot shoot fleeing suspects legally.

Cuff him, if unable to cuff, restrain till backup arrives, read Miranda then ship him the fuck off. Like I said he needed to be arrested, but your so called "fair" is quite unfair. Listen to yourself. "They have tasers so they don't have to shoot people." Listen to that statement and tell me what is fucking wrong with it. "So they don't have to shoot people." You are pretty much saying, if they had fucking guns, it would have been fair game to shoot him. I'm sorry dude but you are an idiot.
The only reason a cop should ever pull out his gun is to protect himself or another. if this taser is a non let hat replacement to a gun. Then the only reason to pull it out is to protect yourself or another.
You've pretty much said, if they carried nightsticks, they are allowed to have wailed on him.
It is an abuse of power plain and fucking simple.

darkbenny · Post by **darkbenny** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:15 am

Abuse of power by the police because:

there was no need to taser him multiple times.
why didn't they just cuff him; I mean, if he was actually being a threat to the officers I'm sure they could have simply tackled him.
threatening other students with a taser doesn't earn you brownie points

Students are usually assholes when it comes to the police though; this guy probably thought he was all deep and meaningful and making a stand against injustice. I was rooting for the cops when I watched this but the cops were really pushing things.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:05 am

Dammit, I had a long response, but FF crashed. So I will try to retype it:

Demios wrote:Really? Shit I was not aware that Cops were able to arrest people before tasers were invented. I forgot they have that reaching your arm towards your shoulder blade technique. he reserves every fucking right to tell someone not to fucking touch him. It is his fucking body. Unless he was told before had that he was under arrest. If he got touched. I'm sure he could get away with swinging at the cop. Then again that would be a reason to use a taser would it not. I don't know where the fuck you got that it was fair. now correct me if I am wrong. Was there any kind of threat posed to the officers? Fair game my ass. It is why police officers cannot shoot fleeing suspects legally.

Of course they could, but struggling almost causes more injuries than other non-lethal ways of restraining the individual.

Also, it's not like he did nothing. The dude was told by the personnel to leave because he didn't had an ID, he disobeyed. If HE had left, there wouldn't be any need of calling the Cops.. Cops show up, and he still refuses to comply.

Probably he didn't believe that the personnel was going to call the cops, or something. But he should have obeyed the rules from the beginning.

When they try to grab him (Probably trying to inmovilize him) he goes all "DON'T TOUCH ME!".. So now, you want the Cops to restrain him by applying a lock, but you also say they should touch him? Well, Dude, then what? Let him go?

I find it perfectly reasonable to use a tazer, a non-lethal way to restrain an individual, when it's obvious he is going to resist handcuffing and carrying to the police transport.

And police officers can shoot subjects if they are caught infraganti or causifraganti. Of course, it depends on the situation, you can't shoot someone who is jaywalking, for example.

It's not like the officers came and "SURPRISE BUTTTAZE!" They tried to restrain him, and failed, so they tazed him. I find it reasonable. After the first taze, he continued to struggle, so they tazed him again.

Demios wrote:Cuff him, if unable to cuff, restrain till backup arrives, read Miranda then ship him the fuck off. Like I said he needed to be arrested, but your so called "fair" is quite unfair. Listen to yourself. "They have tasers so they don't have to shoot people." Listen to that statement and tell me what is fucking wrong with it. "So they don't have to shoot people." You are pretty much saying, if they had fucking guns, it would have been fair game to shoot him. I'm sorry dude but you are an idiot.

So maybe I expressed myself wrong, I am sorry. I tried to say that officers are given non-lethal ways of restraining indivduals so they don't have to rely on "lethal intimidation", which sometimes, turns out worse.

There is no need to call me an idiot though.

Demios wrote:The only reason a cop should ever pull out his gun is to protect himself or another. if this taser is a non let hat replacement to a gun. Then the only reason to pull it out is to protect yourself or another.
You've pretty much said, if they carried nightsticks, they are allowed to have wailed on him.
It is an abuse of power plain and fucking simple.

They are allowed to use any means they consider necessary to restrain someone that has been reported or needs to. It's their JOB. Not every police case is a life/death situation.

Now, if the dude was "Ok, cool, I'll hand me in." And the Cops would be all "OH NO EVILDOER! TAZE TIME!!!" and tazed his ass till kingdom come, I would agree it's power abuse. The same can be applied to any police method.

But no, he struggled and resisted. This situation escalated to that point because of the dude, not because of the officers.

I have SEEN police brutality, power abuse, and I bet that anyone that has suffered of it, would prefer to be tazer'd than getting a betting, I mean, "restraining him". Or how they say around here "He fell from the police truck".