Sony sued again....This time it affect many people.

[Joe Camacho]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

[funkyass]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

[Joe Camacho]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

BUT THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE.

[Panzer88]

He yearns for the insanity that only Sony can provide. There and only there will he find solace.

[Grendel]

I generally could care less about Sony's financial troubles. When a multi-billion dollar, multi-national corporation bullies not only other companies out of the market with frivolous "digital rights" lawsuits, but actually targets its consumers with the same crap, it loses my support.

As far as all the proprietary formats are concerned, I believe Sony is (sadly) trying to create a massive vendor lock-in. I'm sure they would prefer that we all buy Sony-brand discs, Sony-brand television and Sony-brand movies. If we don't, Heaven-forfend that Sony might be accosted out of a few minor losses. I doubt Masaru's holy empire would suffer too much disgrace.

Oh noes, another Sony proprietary disc is potentially doomed.

[Neo Kaiser]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

Optical discs are more secure.

[Deathlike2]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

Optical discs are more secure.

In what way?

[Joe Camacho]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

Optical discs are more secure.

In what way?

I thought burned disks eventually lose their data, because they aren't pressed.

[snkcube]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

Optical discs are more secure.

That's bull. Optical discs will eventually lose their data over time.

[Deathlike2]

Whether or not Blu-Ray succeeds makes no difference to me. The topic name is alarmist at best.

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY DREAM OF STORING ALL MY STUFF IN A 50 GB DISC!

BUY A HARD DRIVE!

Optical discs are more secure.

In what way?

I thought burned disks eventually lose their data, because they aren't pressed.

I'm just waiting for the Neo Kaiser "wink, I was just kidding" ©® followup.

[funkyass]

optical discs are more secure?

Scratches on optical discs can and do hamper the ability to read them. There are methods included on optical discs that can attempt to mediate the affect of the scratch, but over time with use a disc can eventually be rendered unreadable via scratches. Hell moving a disc around in case gives it scratches. Yes those scratches can be removed, but you have to destroy the plastic that is there to protect the data.

Thats just scratches, the dye used in burnable discs are not guaranteed to last a lifetime, dependant on how much you want to spend on the blanks to begin with.

they are easy to break, one time in the back seat of your pants will do it.

I won't get started on what young children can do.

Blue-Ray, HD-DVD, the holographic discs that are coming, all nice formats, but their easy of use will means they aren't as secure as Hard drives(hell, not even as cheap) for long term data storage.

if you wanted to move a large amount of data, these "next-gen" discs might be good, but until the prices of the medium and the burners come down, and even then, its helluva lot easier to use a portable hard drive.

[adventure_of_link]

I thought compact disks, under the right conditions, can last 20 years?

[Neo Kaiser]

Also Blu-ray discs have a mandatory Durabis coating and if I travel it would be easier to carry a optical disc like Blu-Ray than a fucking Hard Drive.

[snkcube]

The thing is, what's the chance of you going to a place where they'll have a Blu-ray drive available?

[Deathlike2]

The thing is, what's the chance of you going to a place where they'll have a Blu-ray drive available?

Let me know when it is realistically affordable, so that we're not throwing $$$ around like Paris Hilton.

[Joe Camacho]

Also Blu-ray discs have a mandatory Durabis coating and if I travel it would be easier to carry a optical disc like Blu-Ray than a fucking Hard Drive.

AND THAT MAKES IT MORE SECURE.. HOW?

CONVENIENT, MAYBE. COMPACT, SURE. BUT SECURE?

[funkyass]

Also Blu-ray discs have a mandatory Durabis coating and if I travel it would be easier to carry a optical disc like Blu-Ray than a fucking Hard Drive.

if you can't carry an Ipod, then you shouldn't be carrying anything.

they have 2.5 inch HD in portable enclosures. The ones in MP3 players are smaller. the Durabis is scratch resistance, not scratch-proof, and what I said before still applies.

unless they are made of diamonds, they aren't good for long-term data storage.

[badinsults]

The local wal-mart lite (London Drugs) sells blank Blu Ray discs. They were like $20 each.

[Gil_Hamilton]

Also Blu-ray discs have a mandatory Durabis coating and if I travel it would be easier to carry a optical disc like Blu-Ray than a fucking Hard Drive.

OPTIONAL Durabis coating.
Mosts disks use A scratch-resistant coating, due to BluRay's insanely small thickness, but very few use the "ZOMG GOD ARMOR" Durabis.

In fact, the BluRay spec does not TECHNICALLY require any form of anti-scratch coating. It's an unofficial addition that was made necessary by the previously-mentioned thinness.

unless they are made of diamonds, they aren't good for long-term data storage.

Diamond disks would shatter easily, though.

[Cyrus]

What's with all this retard talk about optical media losing data, obviously it does but it takes a hell of a long time. Anyone who manages to render a DVD unusable via scratches is a moron.

Any of these shitty mechanical hard drives will die long before an optical disk. In fact that's probably why manufacturers don't give a shit that the current hard drives are prehistoric technology in the computer world which break down easily. That's just more profit for them.

"Oh noes da disk will lose data in 30 years because I has been usin' its as coaster!"... Ya well even the chemical structure of diamond changes over time, that doesn't mean you'll live to see it.

[Joe Camacho]

What's with all this retard talk about optical media losing data, obviously it does but it takes a hell of a long time. Anyone who manages to render a DVD unusable via scratches is a moron.

Any of these shitty mechanical hard drives will die long before an optical disk. In fact that's probably why manufacturers don't give a shit that the current hard drives are prehistoric technology in the computer world which break down easily. That's just more profit for them.

"Oh noes da disk will lose data in 30 years because I has been usin' its as coaster!"... Ya well even the chemical structure of diamond changes over time, that doesn't mean you'll live to see it.

I still have my old 4 GB drive kicking, from my first pc, an AMDK6 450 Mhz.. While all the CDRs burned from that time give me errors in some sectors.

While it's true that things that have mechanical pieces are more possible of wearing and degenerating, the truth is, that while you have to write the data into an optical media without being able to PRESS the disk, data will last longer on a Hard Drive.

[grinvader]

even the chemical structure of diamond changes over time

... over a fuggin long time. Probably will never get to be seen, since planets have a tendency to burn along with their diamonds when their sun goes boom, which happens a lot faster.

[dr_slump]

In my experience optical media are not a reliable backup solution. I recently tried some 2001 backup discs, without any physical wear, and they all seemed unreadable, pretty sad because I had some nice source code there.
The only thing that worries me about a possible next-gen optical media collapse is the lack of interest in high definition since streaming services are PC (and not HT) oriented, thus a first time ever (even temporary) stabilization of a technology.

[Cyrus]

What's with all this retard talk about optical media losing data, obviously it does but it takes a hell of a long time. Anyone who manages to render a DVD unusable via scratches is a moron.

Any of these shitty mechanical hard drives will die long before an optical disk. In fact that's probably why manufacturers don't give a shit that the current hard drives are prehistoric technology in the computer world which break down easily. That's just more profit for them.

"Oh noes da disk will lose data in 30 years because I has been usin' its as coaster!"... Ya well even the chemical structure of diamond changes over time, that doesn't mean you'll live to see it.

I still have my old 4 GB drive kicking, from my first pc, an AMDK6 450 Mhz.. While all the CDRs burned from that time give me errors in some sectors.

While it's true that things that have mechanical pieces are more possible of wearing and degenerating, the truth is, that while you have to write the data into an optical media without being able to PRESS the disk, data will last longer on a Hard Drive.

And I still have my old 4GB hard drive from my 200MHz Pentium 1... but I have CDs as old if not older than that which still work.

The only reason these old HDDs are kicking is that they weren't used nearly as much as modern hard drives would these days. I doubt you left your K6 on 24/7, after high speed internet became extremely common people started leaving their computers on 24/7 for data transfer.

Or was that your point to begin with, were you saying HDDs last longer than optical media if stored away? Won't they sag if not left spinning and potentially lose data faster than optical disks? Or does the sagging take an extremely long time?

[Joe Camacho]

What's with all this retard talk about optical media losing data, obviously it does but it takes a hell of a long time. Anyone who manages to render a DVD unusable via scratches is a moron.

Any of these shitty mechanical hard drives will die long before an optical disk. In fact that's probably why manufacturers don't give a shit that the current hard drives are prehistoric technology in the computer world which break down easily. That's just more profit for them.

"Oh noes da disk will lose data in 30 years because I has been usin' its as coaster!"... Ya well even the chemical structure of diamond changes over time, that doesn't mean you'll live to see it.

I still have my old 4 GB drive kicking, from my first pc, an AMDK6 450 Mhz.. While all the CDRs burned from that time give me errors in some sectors.

While it's true that things that have mechanical pieces are more possible of wearing and degenerating, the truth is, that while you have to write the data into an optical media without being able to PRESS the disk, data will last longer on a Hard Drive.

And I still have my old 4GB hard drive from my 200MHz Pentium 1... but I have CDs as old if not older than that which still work.

The only reason these old HDDs are kicking is that they weren't used nearly as much as modern hard drives would these days. I doubt you left your K6 on 24/7, after high speed internet became extremely common people started leaving their computers on 24/7 for data transfer.

Or was that your point to begin with, were you saying HDDs last longer than optical media if stored away? Won't they sag if not left spinning and potentially lose data faster than optical disks? Or does the sagging take an extremely long time?

Well, I seriously don't know. What I do know is that optical media that was burned, instead of pressed, is more likely to give errors after a while, it doesn't matter if you take care of them or not.. Obviously if you store them and keep them safe, the odds are against errors, but the sole nature of burned disks would make them give errors.

While, supposedly, HD are built to last. Of course a shitty HD or a shitty Blank disk brand would stop working after a while.