Chrono Trigger: Prophet's Guile

[corronchilejano]

The comparison didn't matter, you were still judging a book by the cover.

Maybe him, like me, just doesn't like stories that don't come from the original author (where the original one is Square in this case). On my side, I can basically say that they're just lazy bastards that can't come up with something original even if their lives depended on it, and have become frozen in the past (hate to say it, but pretty much like the people from ZSO).

This of course, is coming from the man that wants to make a solid remake of Final Fantasy with minor extensions, but obviously with engine changes. Why? Cause I love the storyline. It'd still be just something personal, and I'd understand if people hate me for it, I'd deserve it.

Actually, all this goes way back to Sky Render...

[Panzer88]

Maybe him, like me, just doesn't like stories that don't come from the original author (where the original one is Square in this case)

no actually, the original author is Masato Kato, if they made another chrono game without him it would mean nothing.

On my side, I can basically say that they're just lazy bastards that can't come up with something original even if their lives depended on it, and have become frozen in the past (hate to say it, but pretty much like the people from ZSO).

if they wrote something new in the chrono universe, then you would call it fan fiction all the more, instead they did research and filled in a gap in the story that makes sense.

Actually, all this goes way back to Sky Render...

how?

[Gil_Hamilton]

Maybe him, like me, just doesn't like stories that don't come from the original author (where the original one is Square in this case)

no actually, the original author is Masato Kato, if they made another chrono game without him it would mean nothing.

He was only part of it.
If you think the producer, director, etc had no influence on the story...

Though Kato was promoted to director for Cross.

[Panzer88]

oh I know, in fact some people consider Chrono Cross not as canon as CT and RD because it didn't have all the original crew

all I meant was he was the main script writer as that was what corronchilejano was talking about, the "author" even though they all played a part.

[Gil_Hamilton]

oh I know, in fact some people consider Chrono Cross not as canon as CT and RD because it didn't have all the original crew

all I meant was he was the main script writer as that was what corronchilejano was talking about, the "author" even though they all played a part.

All I was really saying is that the producer is the head. The script is changed according to what he wants to see.

[corronchilejano]

no actually, the original author is Masato Kato, if they made another chrono game without him it would mean nothing.

Exacty, so this is just a useless, meaningless fanfic, you said yourself.

if they wrote something new in the chrono universe, then you would call it fan fiction all the more, instead they did research and filled in a gap in the story that makes sense.

So? It's still not from the original author, where the author is the WHOLE TEAM that worked on the storyline. Again, they're just a bunch of guys that cracked a game and want to feel special about it. That's good, but they could be using those efforts for something else, like making a real game.

[Panzer88]

maybe they just like chrono trigger **shrugs** it's not like they are saying that it is canon or anything, they are just having fun. They could make another game, and I'm sure it'd be good, but that's none of my business, they can do whatever the hell they want, what we think has little influence on that.

[Rydian]

The comparison didn't matter, you were still judging a book by the cover.

Maybe him, like me, just doesn't like stories that don't come from the original author

I used to read Nancy Drew books all the time, but after reading like 50 or so, I found it went in an entirely new direction after a certain point in the series. I found there was little to no mystery, and about half of each page was romance.

I looked at the cover of the book, and saw the writer changed. Looked up some info, found that was true and all the other novels after that were romantic with barely any mystery, and so I dropped that series.

I did it because I didn't like the particular author, based on my past experiances.

Can any of you say you've had past experiances with these people?

[sweener2001]

The comparison didn't matter, you were still judging a book by the cover.

thanks for proving my point. you chose not to see the point i was attempting to make.

what if i had said that i don't like it because it's not professionally done? would that have been enough? or would you still use the stupid book by the cover thing? there is a huge difference there. it's been said that all this hack does is add more words to a story we already know about. square didn't feel it was necessary, so why i should i change my mind now, since square still hasn't?

i'm a constant proponent of trying something out before you judge it. i had a whole issue with snkcube for awhile because he bashed halo2 w/o ever playing it. so, you might want to think that i'm being hypocritical right now. trust me i'm not. i've played enough hacks to see commonalities across the board. overly complex gameplay meant to be "challenging" in platformers that turn out to be nigh impossible. sub-par graphics when new tiles get added in. and overly wordy, and needlessly emo/intricate dialogue in rpg's. sure, these aren't the same hack authors. but the commonalities still pervade, and the screenshots showed it. so i've sworn off these kinds of hacks.

that's also what i've been saying the whole time, hopefully you get it now.

[corronchilejano]

I used to read Nancy Drew books all the time, but after reading like 50 or so, I found it went in an entirely new direction after a certain point in the series. I found there was little to no mystery, and about half of each page was romance.

I looked at the cover of the book, and saw the writer changed. Looked up some info, found that was true and all the other novels after that were romantic with barely any mystery, and so I dropped that series.

I did it because I didn't like the particular author, based on my past experiances.

Can any of you say you've had past experiances with these people?

Yes, in fact I have. I was going to be a programmer for fangame Crimson Echoes (no hack, an ordinary 2D programmed game), all goes downhill from there. As I said, some people have little to no imagination at all, never wanting to even TRY to do a new game, as they would just make up a Chrono clone.

I understand that. When you're not used to writing, you do that a hell of a lot. Then you grow, you write, and say "What was I thinking?"

Oh yeah, the project is DEAD. Now the same people began a different project, whose name I cannot recall right now, as that was two years ago. Still no word of it either. Help me on that one, it was going to be a futuristic piece of crap...

[Deathlike2]

I'm curious why there is a continued debate on opinion and I've yet to play this hack...

Look, I'm sure people putting in the effort to create this hack deserve a mention for their efforts. However, people are allowed to make opinions based on after playing said hack.

Not every hack is going to be loved. Deal with it people.

[snkcube]

i'm a constant proponent of trying something out before you judge it. i had a whole issue with snkcube for awhile because he bashed halo2 w/o ever playing it.

You sure it was me, who bashed Halo 2? I felt like single player was a let down, but not multiplayer.

[Panzer88]

I'm curious why there is a continued debate on opinion and I've yet to play this hack...

Look, I'm sure people putting in the effort to create this hack deserve a mention for their efforts. However, people are allowed to make opinions based on after playing said hack.

Not every hack is going to be loved. Deal with it people.

you're right, I don't care if they want to play it or not, but I don't see the need to bash it for no reason with little to know perspective about that specific hack. It's unnecessary, if they don't want to play it then why do they have to talk about it?

this was just a reply to deathlike2's inquiry, not a challenge or attack to anyone else.

[corronchilejano]

For me it deviated here:

well, Radical Dreamers is more of a seperate entity scripted by the original Chrono Trigger guys that was sort of used as a platform to make Chrono Cross. It is NOT chronilogically inbetween, that's a common misconception. To be honest I kinda like the Radical Dreamers take on things more than the Chrono Cross in some areas but that is neither here nor there, especially considering that it was a glorified demo of a text adventure (even though it was fun/interesting)

"Radical Dreamers isn't the bridge we want. We want Magus." At least that's the vibe I got. I liked Radical Dreamers because it actually expanded into the unknown, and not just going on with what was already pretty clear. Again, it's just a personal point of view...
Then again, I think most of us post because we had something to say about it.

[Panzer88]

For me it deviated here:

well, Radical Dreamers is more of a seperate entity scripted by the original Chrono Trigger guys that was sort of used as a platform to make Chrono Cross. It is NOT chronilogically inbetween, that's a common misconception. To be honest I kinda like the Radical Dreamers take on things more than the Chrono Cross in some areas but that is neither here nor there, especially considering that it was a glorified demo of a text adventure (even though it was fun/interesting)

"Radical Dreamers isn't the bridge we want. We want Magus." At least that's the vibe I got. I liked Radical Dreamers because it actually expanded into the unknown, and not just going on with what was already pretty clear. Again, it's just a personal point of view...
Then again, I think most of us post because we had something to say about it.

totally, I agree, only I don't mind a little filler here or there for the fun of it, but as you can see from my post I'm a pretty big Radical Dreamers fan (as you noticed, as you dug that post up )

[sweener2001]

i'm a constant proponent of trying something out before you judge it. i had a whole issue with snkcube for awhile because he bashed halo2 w/o ever playing it.

You sure it was me, who bashed Halo 2? I felt like single player was a let down, but not multiplayer.

it definitely was with you, and if it wasn't halo2, it was the first one. i just know it was a halo. i assumed the second one because i hadn't played the first one until it was a platinum hit. <-- well after halo2 came out.

[snkcube]

i'm a constant proponent of trying something out before you judge it. i had a whole issue with snkcube for awhile because he bashed halo2 w/o ever playing it.

You sure it was me, who bashed Halo 2? I felt like single player was a let down, but not multiplayer.

it definitely was with you, and if it wasn't halo2, it was the first one. i just know it was a halo. i assumed the second one because i hadn't played the first one until it was a platinum hit. <-- well after halo2 came out.

Well, I didn't like Halo 1's single player levels, especially the in-door ones. It lacked variety in design and repeated itself over and over. The story wasn't so great either. And to be clear on this, I beat both Halo 1 and 2.

[Deathlike2]

The comparison didn't matter, you were still judging a book by the cover.

Maybe him, like me, just doesn't like stories that don't come from the original author (where the original one is Square in this case). On my side, I can basically say that they're just lazy bastards that can't come up with something original even if their lives depended on it, and have become frozen in the past (hate to say it, but pretty much like the people from ZSO).

This of course, is coming from the man that wants to make a solid remake of Final Fantasy with minor extensions, but obviously with engine changes. Why? Cause I love the storyline. It'd still be just something personal, and I'd understand if people hate me for it, I'd deserve it.

Actually, all this goes way back to Sky Render...

lol @ Sky Render (dunno why you mention that).

I think some people are scared to death by going out of the box.. which has some truth (either way). Sometimes massive change doesn't quite get embraced (see Zelda:Parallel Worlds). I'm not saying you can't go out of the box.. it has to be good, compelling, and be well thought out/implemented. I do agree at times that some people have no balls.

i'm a constant proponent of trying something out before you judge it. i had a whole issue with snkcube for awhile because he bashed halo2 w/o ever playing it.

You sure it was me, who bashed Halo 2? I felt like single player was a let down, but not multiplayer.

it definitely was with you, and if it wasn't halo2, it was the first one. i just know it was a halo. i assumed the second one because i hadn't played the first one until it was a platinum hit. <-- well after halo2 came out.

Well, I didn't like Halo 1's single player levels, especially the in-door ones. It lacked variety in design and repeated itself over and over. The story wasn't so great either. And to be clear on this, I beat both Halo 1 and 2.

Halo seemed very pro-claustophobic than anything. Some of the design was a bit uninspired at times.

[Rydian]

Actually, it took me until like halfway through page 2 to actually play it, and even then I didn't beat it. The text is very different from CT, I found the battles too be too hard, there's too much monolouge and explaining... this hack is rather... a bit of adisappointment in the writing of the speech.

I did like getting to see a bit more about the culture of zeal, it makes more of a point then "I can cast lightening, so my boobs are bigger than the earthbound ones!", but... the presentation is rather sucky. It presents itself as more of a fanfic would be, than something that happened during the storyline. There's too many changes.


I'm just fighting that people are judging it without playing it first. Play it, THEN you can say magus is emo and the dialog sucks and all that.

[adventure_of_link]

Actually, it took me until like halfway through page 2 to actually play it, and even then I didn't beat it. The text is very different from CT, I found the battles too be too hard, there's too much monolouge and explaining... this hack is rather... a bit of adisappointment in the writing of the speech.

It is true that the battles are hard, hell I even had problems with the golem and the beast bosses, as well as most of the enemies, but I still got through it in about an hour.

[sweener2001]

i'm a constant proponent of trying something out before you judge it. i had a whole issue with snkcube for awhile because he bashed halo2 w/o ever playing it.

You sure it was me, who bashed Halo 2? I felt like single player was a let down, but not multiplayer.

it definitely was with you, and if it wasn't halo2, it was the first one. i just know it was a halo. i assumed the second one because i hadn't played the first one until it was a platinum hit. <-- well after halo2 came out.

Well, I didn't like Halo 1's single player levels, especially the in-door ones. It lacked variety in design and repeated itself over and over. The story wasn't so great either. And to be clear on this, I beat both Halo 1 and 2.

i'm pretty sure that at the time, you hadn't played it, and were saying that it was overrated. not that it matters anymore, that was awhile ago.

Actually, it took me until like halfway through page 2 to actually play it, and even then I didn't beat it. The text is very different from CT, I found the battles too be too hard, there's too much monolouge and explaining... this hack is rather... a bit of adisappointment in the writing of the speech.

I did like getting to see a bit more about the culture of zeal, it makes more of a point then "I can cast lightening, so my boobs are bigger than the earthbound ones!", but... the presentation is rather sucky. It presents itself as more of a fanfic would be, than something that happened during the storyline. There's too many changes.


I'm just fighting that people are judging it without playing it first. Play it, THEN you can say magus is emo and the dialog sucks and all that.

why, when you proved my point? pretty much to the "T," as it were. unnecessarily complex/emo dialog that doesn't fit with the actual game's atmosphere, and overly difficult gameplay to provide a "challenge." i guess the graphics couldn't have been sub-par, since they were just using CT originals for the most part.

[Panzer88]

they're asking for feedback on what people liked and didn't like, might want to go over there and give em a few pointers.

[Gil_Hamilton]

I did like getting to see a bit more about the culture of zeal, it makes more of a point then "I can cast lightening, so my boobs are bigger than the earthbound ones!"

Lightening doesn't make them bigger. Just perkier and less saggy.

[corronchilejano]

they're asking for feedback on what people liked and didn't like, might want to go over there and give em a few pointers.

Ok, let's do this shit.

[sweener2001]

they're asking for feedback on what people liked and didn't like, might want to go over there and give em a few pointers.

i can probably let rydian do my talking for me. or the history of fanfic in general.