Super Mario RPG freezing

doktor_kris · Post by **doktor_kris** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:58 pm

cv-death wrote:.. the back round was move in and all i can do crap...

Gold.

DancemasterGlenn · Post by **DancemasterGlenn** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:09 am

cv-death wrote:.. the back round was move in and all i can do crap...

... what?

fnow · Post by **fnow** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:57 pm

I think i just found a workaround for the bug with the star at the pirate ship. Desperately i tried forcing PAL even though i seem to have the same rom as many of you (with crc: 1B8A0625).

I have no idea how, but it works.

NewgroundsGuy · Post by **NewgroundsGuy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:37 pm

yadayada wrote:Hi everyone,

I've searched the forums for this issue but couldn't seem to find it, so I apologize in advance if this has been verified.

I have the latest release 1.51 windows and Super Mario RPG freezes (music continues) when in the equip menu right when you select something from the right menu. It works in the older versions, but not the latest release (which has a nice looking GUI btw)

The same thing happens to me!

Should I just get an older version?

NewgroundsGuy · Post by **NewgroundsGuy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:24 pm

NewgroundsGuy wrote: The same thing happens to me!
Should I just get an older version?

Yeah, just get version 1.42, move your ROM, Save and Save State (If you have one) to the same folder and start playing.

DancemasterGlenn · Post by **DancemasterGlenn** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:13 pm

Did you just reply to yourself?

NewgroundsGuy · Post by **NewgroundsGuy** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:16 pm

DancemasterGlenn wrote:Did you just reply to yourself?

Yep.

Panzer88 · Post by **Panzer88** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:09 am

WTF? how about you just add at the bottom of your first post

EDIT:

I figured it out, you do ---

it's much less schitzo.

fnow · Post by **fnow** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 2:53 am

fnow wrote:I think i just found a workaround for the bug with the star at the pirate ship. Desperately i tried forcing PAL even though i seem to have the same rom as many of you (with crc: 1B8A0625).

I have no idea how, but it works.

Got the same kind of freeze at "the axem rangers", same workaround solved it.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:37 am

fnow wrote:
fnow wrote:I think i just found a workaround for the bug with the star at the pirate ship. Desperately i tried forcing PAL even though i seem to have the same rom as many of you (with crc: 1B8A0625).

I have no idea how, but it works.
Got the same kind of freeze at "the axem rangers", same workaround solved it.

seriously?

twice in one thread, what are the odds?

DancemasterGlenn · Post by **DancemasterGlenn** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:51 am

DancemasterGlenn wrote:Did you just reply to yourself?

He certainly did! Some people are just crazy, I guess.

... you sexy beast.

Arefel · Post by **Arefel** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:15 am

NewgroundsGuy wrote:
NewgroundsGuy wrote: The same thing happens to me!
Should I just get an older version?
Yeah, just get version 1.42, move your ROM, Save and Save State (If you have one) to the same folder and start playing.

So, I did what this guy just posted and I could not for the life of me get my 1.51 saves/save states to work on 1.42.

I would really appreciate it if someone could explain it to me in a clearer manner, assume I know just enough to browse the internet.

Thanks!

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:48 am

new save states dont work with older zsnes... but you can use the srm file.

Arefel · Post by **Arefel** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:21 pm

Yeah, I tried using the old .srm but that didn't work, probably because I don't know what I'm really supposed to do with it.

However, I did get the game to progress. Out of frustration I just began mashing what I had set to L, R, Start and Select and lo and behold Jonny is telling me what a chum I am! I haven't been able to reproduce it though because I was so happy I saved over the state/save immediately.

Hope this helps someone but take it with a grain of salt and a bit of luck.

shentino · Post by **shentino** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:46 am

I just wanted to confirm that I am also having this problem.

So far:

Equipment menu lockups,
Johnny's star screen lockups

checksum looks familiar.

I'll try forcing PAL and see if it helps.

I'll also check out 1.50 and try to narrow down which version borked out.

DancemasterGlenn · Post by **DancemasterGlenn** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:05 am

Please, don't bother.

Just use zsnes 1.42 or snes9x until a new version comes out.

shentino · Post by **shentino** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:13 pm

I couldn't get snes9x to compile, and the binaries were linked against a different version of the C++ library.

Worse, zsnes 1.42 segfaulted after I compiled it. This was after I had to tweak a makefile to remove an errant -L switch that didn't have an argument. It seems as though the 1.42 source's makes are borked.

Anyway, forcing PAL worked.

However, that BROKE the game during the tutorial for the beetle shooter game.

I had to force NTSC to get past that bit.

Honestly, I wish there was a way to switch between PAL and NTSC at runtime. At the moment, I have to dump, reload the rom, and resume.

Weird, how you need to force completely opposite options at different stages in the game...

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:58 am

shentino wrote:Worse, zsnes 1.42 segfaulted after I compiled it. This was after I had to tweak a makefile to remove an errant -L switch that didn't have an argument. It seems as though the 1.42 source's makes are borked.

It's not the makes (although yes, there was a bug), it's moreso glibc that has changed, to the point of allowing bad stuff to happen before, and not so much of that now. You could try 1.42n since that should work with the more recent glibc.

Honestly, I wish there was a way to switch between PAL and NTSC at runtime. At the moment, I have to dump, reload the rom, and resume.

It's not possible, since timing between PAL and NTSC systems are completely different.

shentino · Post by **shentino** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:01 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:
shentino wrote:Worse, zsnes 1.42 segfaulted after I compiled it. This was after I had to tweak a makefile to remove an errant -L switch that didn't have an argument. It seems as though the 1.42 source's makes are borked.
It's not the makes (although yes, there was a bug), it's moreso glibc that has changed, to the point of allowing bad stuff to happen before, and not so much of that now. You could try 1.42n since that should work with the more recent glibc.

Honestly, I wish there was a way to switch between PAL and NTSC at runtime. At the moment, I have to dump, reload the rom, and resume.
It's not possible, since timing between PAL and NTSC systems are completely different.

Then this is a very weird game. For some reason, switching timings by dumping and reloading works.

Do SNES CPU instructions require precise emulation of timing? Because going PAL and making all the frames 1/5th longer seems to say that we're giving the VPU more window to execute in. Just a wild guess though...

Post by **grinvader** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:15 pm

shentino wrote:Do SNES CPU instructions require precise emulation of timing?

Okay that's some decent hilarium ore right there.

shentino · Post by **shentino** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:19 pm

On the final credits "parade" I had to mode-switch at least three times to keep it going.

I'm actually quite baffled as to why this game works better on PAL than it does NTSC, when the graphics and timings are distinctly designed for NTSC.

Examples:

Star piece on Johnny, Breaker beam. Both break on NTSC.
Dodo's pecking symphony. Out of sync with actions on PAL.

If I put it on PAL, everything works, but a tad slow and out of sync. If I put it on NTSC, it keeps up but stuff breaks.

...Why?

This is weird weird weird weird weird...

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:40 pm

shentino wrote:On the final credits "parade" I had to mode-switch at least three times to keep it going.

I'm actually quite baffled as to why this game works better on PAL than it does NTSC, when the graphics and timings are distinctly designed for NTSC.

Examples:

Star piece on Johnny, Breaker beam. Both break on NTSC.
Dodo's pecking symphony. Out of sync with actions on PAL.

If I put it on PAL, everything works, but a tad slow and out of sync. If I put it on NTSC, it keeps up but stuff breaks.

...Why?

This is weird weird weird weird weird...

It should be blantly obvious. Timing matters, and PAL systems operate slower than their NTSC counterparts. It doesn't mean PAL works better, it means our NTSC timing is simply off by comparison.

byuu · Post by **byuu** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:54 pm

Do SNES CPU instructions require precise emulation of timing?

Ideally, but it's not required.

Because going PAL and making all the frames 1/5th longer seems to say that we're giving the VPU more window to execute in. Just a wild guess though...

NTSC may run at 60fps, and PAL at 50fps, but one PAL frame is longer than one NTSC frame. Specifically, the ratio is 262 scanlines/NTSC to 312/PAL.

262*60=15,720 and 312*50=15,600. Throw in slight CPU clock offsets, and it's mostly the same, with a tiny variance.

shentino · Post by **shentino** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:51 pm

Hope this gets fixed soon.

Curious as I am about the details about PAL vs. NTSC, and having differences in execution beyond simple video anomalies, I'm also confused.

xusword · Post by **xusword** » Fri May 30, 2008 5:27 am

Hi

Yup... I got the very same problem as well...

I was trying the game on ZSNES1.5.1.
It freezes for when equipping some equipments. I was able to play the game around it until I got the 5th star from the shark.

And then I start the game all over again with ZSNES1.1
The freezing problem never occur... until I defeated Exor...

Almost spit blood at that moment....

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