Interesting Secret of Mana Glitch

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:12 pm

I am pretty damn sure the seeds randomize based on the state of something the second you plant them, not where they were gotten.

Post by **grinvader** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:16 pm

Incorrect.

I EXTENSIVELY tested this to make even shorter runs (also to see if there was any class 1 ultimate eq from seeds).
Grabbed a full pile before you even start getting anywhere and spent some time in inns planting them - ALL gave the same thing.

The random kicks in when you fairly get one.

Palin · Post by **Palin** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:20 pm

Isn't there a black rabite that you can fight that's fairly tough? Or would you consider that a boss?

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:24 pm

Metatron wrote:I am pretty damn sure the seeds randomize based on the state of something the second you plant them, not where they were gotten.

It's kinda randomized, but the RNG is pretty bad for this game, which will require you to kill an enemy to properly rerandomize.

Palin wrote:Isn't there a black rabite that you can fight that's fairly tough? Or would you consider that a boss?

It's tougher than most bosses and that Moogle Badge is disappointing for the most part (except it's great validation because you killed an evil Rabite).

Post by **grinvader** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:40 pm

Palin wrote:Isn't there a black rabite that you can fight that's fairly tough? Or would you consider that a boss?

- there's only one
- it doesn't repop
- it gives a unique item... if you're lucky enough (lulz Saturn)
- it has spells even bosses don't
- it's stronger than most other things in the game
- it's tactically smarter than any other monster or boss in the game

>> it is a boss

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:12 pm

grinvader wrote:Incorrect.

I EXTENSIVELY tested this to make even shorter runs (also to see if there was any class 1 ultimate eq from seeds).
Grabbed a full pile before you even start getting anywhere and spent some time in inns planting them - ALL gave the same thing.

The random kicks in when you fairly get one.

I respectfully disagree. Multiple loads of SRAM before planting eventually gave a different result. This is inconsistent with your hypothesis. Keyword is eventually. Though maybe Deathlike's explanation is better.

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:20 pm

...What is with this thread and people telling me I'm wrong when I'm not anyway?

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:07 am

FWIW, I've had the exact same results as grinvader when playing SD3... Reloading and save stating did shit.

Kajuru · Post by **Kajuru** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:35 am

grinvader wrote:- it's tactically smarter than any other monster or boss in the game

I found it ubber predictable.

http://grinvader.free.fr/pics/hwriting.png

Almost as messy as my notes, be it cheat searches, college annotations, or any reminder.

It's kinda randomized, but the RNG is pretty bad for this game

Very bad. One of the few things you can really manipulate are item drops, if you save state before the enemy explodes.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:45 am

Kajuru wrote:
grinvader wrote:- it's tactically smarter than any other monster or boss in the game
I found it ubber predictable.

http://grinvader.free.fr/pics/hwriting.png
Almost as messy as my notes, be it cheat searches, college annotations, or any reminder.

It's kinda randomized, but the RNG is pretty bad for this game
Very bad. One of the few things you can really manipulate are item drops, if you save state before the enemy explodes.

Item drops are easy to manipulate period. It's getting the final equipment set that's a pain in the ass... the RNG is just fucked up for this purpose for whatever the reason.

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:43 am

It would honestly have been so much easier if Square just didn't give you copies of things you already had with the equipment. That was just silly. I can't think of a single final class item that can be used by more than one person.

It's more acceptable with the class change items since they double as actual in-battle use items.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:59 am

Whether or not it is random is not really an issue. You can sell the weapons and armor (not rings or helmets) for good money. The randomness issue is simply a bug with the game's RNG and nothing more.

Post by **grinvader** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:52 pm

Kajuru wrote:
grinvader wrote:- it's tactically smarter than any other monster or boss in the game
I found it ubber predictable.

It is, but even then it IS the most tactically advanced monster in the game.

No other monster BOTH casts black rain on themselves and dark saber on you to get HPs back.
Add the various ultra magic uncancelable sequences, and you have the toughest cookie.

However SD3's not particularly hard, so even toughest doesn't mean much, indeed.

@Metatron: I'm a furious in-game collector. I like having every possible armor for each character in storage... So that means I always grab 3 (yes, three) ultimate sets per character.
One for the second class ultimate eq, and 2 for the third (one worn, the other in storage).
Bitch be tripping eq seeds.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:24 pm

grinvader wrote:@Metatron: I'm a furious in-game collector. I like having every possible armor for each character in storage... So that means I always grab 3 (yes, three) ultimate sets per character.
One for the second class ultimate eq, and 2 for the third (one worn, the other in storage).
Bitch be tripping eq seeds.

How DO you survive in games with limited inventory space?

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:28 pm

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
grinvader wrote:@Metatron: I'm a furious in-game collector. I like having every possible armor for each character in storage... So that means I always grab 3 (yes, three) ultimate sets per character.
One for the second class ultimate eq, and 2 for the third (one worn, the other in storage).
Bitch be tripping eq seeds.
How DO you survive in games with limited inventory space?

This might sound like a revelation to some, but there is inventory storage available in this game.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:33 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
grinvader wrote:@Metatron: I'm a furious in-game collector. I like having every possible armor for each character in storage... So that means I always grab 3 (yes, three) ultimate sets per character.
One for the second class ultimate eq, and 2 for the third (one worn, the other in storage).
Bitch be tripping eq seeds.
How DO you survive in games with limited inventory space?
This might sound like a revelation to some, but there is inventory storage available in this game.

Yes. But I assumed he meant in RPGs in general.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:36 pm

Meh, you do the standard thing with limited storage... sell the crap off, like duh.

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:56 pm

Just use that one Eye to cancel out its absorption.

Kajuru · Post by **Kajuru** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:21 am

grinvader wrote:It is, but even then it IS the most tactically advanced monster in the game.

It's got a efficient script, yes.

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:06 am

Gil_Hamilton wrote:How DO you survive in games with limited inventory space?

I then prioritize unique items that cannot be reacquired. And then if there's STILL not enough room I sort by category (elemental, special effects) and keep the best of each.
Example:

And if there's REALLY no space at all, I sell everything and leave room for the best support items.