Google Chrome

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:02 pm

Today, Google released a beta of their new Internet browser, Chrome. It's fairly lightweight (only 474kb), has a different tabbing system and much more.

Edit - I was wrong about the installer. The installer itself is 474kb, but the browser itself is around 45 to 46MB after the installer downloads it for you. Other than that, the browser is very sleek and simple. It's very fast, which I like a lot. So far, it's damn good for a beta.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:09 pm

I'm actually more weary of typing stuff into Google's search engine now...

This looks very much like a Mozilla/Firefox fork.

Post by **odditude** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:26 pm

from everything i've read, the rendering engine is webkit and the backend is fresh from the ground up. the javascript engine is also brand new.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:51 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:I'm actually more weary of typing stuff into Google's search engine now...

This looks very much like a Mozilla/Firefox fork.

Yeah, but IE7 looks like a Firefox fork too.
Everyone's stealing Firefox's look and feel, because it's the cool thing to do.

At least Google doesn't have the separate search box.
Though I somehow suspect there's no way to use a search engine other than Google for address-bar searching...

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:13 pm

If you really want to go in-depth with Chrome, read their comic.

Francis64 · Post by **Francis64** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:13 pm

So Google is going to fucking kill Steve Ballmer?

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:21 pm

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:I'm actually more weary of typing stuff into Google's search engine now...

This looks very much like a Mozilla/Firefox fork.
Yeah, but IE7 looks like a Firefox fork too.
Everyone's stealing Firefox's look and feel, because it's the cool thing to do.

At least Google doesn't have the separate search box.
Though I somehow suspect there's no way to use a search engine other than Google for address-bar searching...

You can remove that box in Firefox as I've said before.

snkcube wrote:If you really want to go in-depth with Chrome, read their comic.

The PR comic is interesting, but the jury is out for it being legitimately good.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:28 pm

snkcube wrote:If you really want to go in-depth with Chrome, read their comic.

*does so out of boredom*

Some interesting ideas there.
Though is browser stability really a big problem? It's the very first thing they mention, but I can't remember the last time my browser's crashed. And I run fucking nightly builds(because I'm an idiot, that's why).

It makes me wonder what's going on with MS and Mozilla Foundation.

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:31 pm

stability is an issue with plug-ins and javascript. If you do get a browser crash, its probably due to one of the above.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:32 pm

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
snkcube wrote:If you really want to go in-depth with Chrome, read their comic.
*does so out of boredom*

Some interesting ideas there.
Though is browser stability really a big problem? It's the very first thing they mention, but I can't remember the last time my browser's crashed. And I run fucking nightly builds(because I'm an idiot, that's why).

It makes me wonder what's going on with MS and Mozilla Foundation.

I'd say it's true for Firefox.. even in their newest version... though Flash is the primary culprit. I can't vouch for IE.. I remember IE5 sucking a lot when too many windows were opened... but that shouldn't be surprising.

I do like their idea to isolate pages/components so the whole damn browser doesn't implode.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:43 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
snkcube wrote:If you really want to go in-depth with Chrome, read their comic.
*does so out of boredom*

Some interesting ideas there.
Though is browser stability really a big problem? It's the very first thing they mention, but I can't remember the last time my browser's crashed. And I run fucking nightly builds(because I'm an idiot, that's why).

It makes me wonder what's going on with MS and Mozilla Foundation.
I'd say it's true for Firefox.. even in their newest version... though Flash is the primary culprit. I can't vouch for IE.. I remember IE5 sucking a lot when too many windows were opened... but that shouldn't be surprising.

Oh yeah... now I remember... Acrobat reader used to be bad about taking out Seamonkey.
The current version of the plugin is a lot more stable.

I do like their idea to isolate pages/components so the whole damn browser doesn't implode.

Yeah. That's supremely awesome.

Though I expect Apple to pressure them over the "Sad Tab" picture. It's remarkably similar to the Sad Mac and Sad iPod.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:47 pm

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
I do like their idea to isolate pages/components so the whole damn browser doesn't implode.
Yeah. That's supremely awesome.

I might just switch for this purpose alone. There's something to be said about good memory management.. but even better having some power over it.

Bah, it's not available for 2K.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:24 am

Deathlike2 wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
I do like their idea to isolate pages/components so the whole damn browser doesn't implode.
Yeah. That's supremely awesome.
I might just switch for this purpose alone. There's something to be said about good memory management.. but even better having some power over it.

Bah, it's not available for 2K.

XP version doesn't work? I've seen a lot of stuff that SAYS it requires XP, but runs jsut fine on 2K. Or even 98.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:27 am

The only thing stopping me from using IE8 is that they STILL haven't fixed the issue where you can't use a new tab immediately after creating it. If you enter a search query quickly after creating a new tab, it opens in the previous tab. This is present in IE7 too but I would never use IE7 even if it didn't have this issue because the GUI is just horrible.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:31 am

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
I do like their idea to isolate pages/components so the whole damn browser doesn't implode.
Yeah. That's supremely awesome.
I might just switch for this purpose alone. There's something to be said about good memory management.. but even better having some power over it.

Bah, it's not available for 2K.
XP version doesn't work? I've seen a lot of stuff that SAYS it requires XP, but runs jsut fine on 2K. Or even 98.

There is no download link.. the page is probably constructed with the OS checks in mind.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:42 am

Deathlike2 wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:
Gil_Hamilton wrote:
I do like their idea to isolate pages/components so the whole damn browser doesn't implode.
Yeah. That's supremely awesome.
I might just switch for this purpose alone. There's something to be said about good memory management.. but even better having some power over it.

Bah, it's not available for 2K.
XP version doesn't work? I've seen a lot of stuff that SAYS it requires XP, but runs jsut fine on 2K. Or even 98.
There is no download link.. the page is probably constructed with the OS checks in mind.

Ah. Never mind then.

I think you can get around that with useragent spoofing. But it becomes a lot of hassle for something that MIGHT work.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:44 am

useragent spoofs your browser ID, not your O/S ID.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:53 am

franpa wrote:useragent spoofs your browser ID, not your O/S ID.

WRONG!

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.9.1b1pre) Gecko/20080831003516 SeaMonkey/2.0a1pre equivalent to Firefox/3.0

My current useragent. Italics added around the interesting part.
"equivalent to Firefox/3.0" is added by me to make it work on sites that do browser sniffing and block anything that isn't IE/Firefux/Opera or Safari.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:02 am

Ah, sorry.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:04 am

Check your facts before you shoot your mouth off next time.

Rashidi · Post by **Rashidi** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:21 am

Deathlike2 wrote:There is no download link.. the page is probably constructed with the OS checks in mind.

what happen to the "Download now, then install somewhere / other-place else later" ethos?

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:20 am

I got over 70 in CHROME for the Acid 3 test, can't be 100% sure of the score though since there server seems to be having trouble and could be stopping the test from fully loading.

edit: 78/100 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3#Desktop_browsers

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:42 am

franpa wrote:I got over 70 in CHROME for the Acid 3 test, can't be 100% sure of the score though since there server seems to be having trouble and could be stopping the test from fully loading.

edit: 78/100 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3#Desktop_browsers

And? Everyone already KNEW WebKit was good at the Acid tests.

Hell, the latest nightlies of WebKit get a 100% on Acid3, so all that tells us is that Chrome is outdated already.

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:22 am

Where does chrome install to?

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:25 am