Tales of Phantasia Localization (Church)

Asra · Post by **Asra** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:59 am

I was just wondering if those churches were actually Christian, and if the priests actually recited Christian prayers, or if that was just added to localize it more for your typical English speaker? I mean... There are crosses and nuns... But there are also Goddesses!

I know its silly, but this question has always been bothering me.

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:56 am

Fictional religion.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:57 am

The church in Harvest Moon has a cross, too. I suppose the developers used the cross as a universal religious symbol.

Post by **odditude** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:21 pm

Not to mention the churches in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Shining Force...

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:20 pm

And Breath of Fire.

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:44 am

Also Lufia.

Rashidi · Post by **Rashidi** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:20 am

and Shin Megami Tensei series

Tallgeese · Post by **Tallgeese** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:46 am

...No, they just insult it there.

F-3582 · Post by **F-3582** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:42 pm

Reminds me of the Christian Church in Terranigma

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:07 pm

Earthbound

neo_bahamut1985 · Post by **neo_bahamut1985** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:38 pm

Oh, the Japanese version of Earthbound? Oh, yeah. Hospitals in the Japanese version had a small cross on it, but was removed in the English version.

Tomato · Post by **Tomato** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:57 pm

The crosses were removed not because of religious stuff, but because the Red Cross organization doesn't like it when people use their symbol incorrectly, especially in games.

Most of the religious stuff in EB was just vague-ified, so that things like "goddess" became "priestess", "word of God" becomes "the real truth", etc.

I have more details over here: http://tomato.fobby.net/m2eb/happyhappy.php

crocomire · Post by **crocomire** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:57 pm

neo_bahamut1985 wrote:Oh, the Japanese version of Earthbound? Oh, yeah. Hospitals in the Japanese version had a small cross on it, but was removed in the English version.

Nintendo's Era of Censorship

Rashidi · Post by **Rashidi** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:31 pm

i believe cencorship needed (and will enforced) by those who obsesive about politically-correctness

... I found that ideas offensive! (Starship Troopers, the movie)

well, that cencorship in democratic region..

obvious censorship will always enforced in non-democratic

Justifier! · Post by **Justifier!** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:39 pm

Nintendo of America Staff members should watch american action movies from 1990's age my dad has a lot of VCD collection some of them from the said 1990's age... MY GOD.... they contain a lot of coarseness and violence

Thanks for the link, now I understand why some translation groups put the liberty to swear in games

KingMike · Post by **KingMike** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:31 am

Nice bump for a comment I'm not really seeing the relevance on.
Violence and swearing has existed alot longer than the 1990s.

Post by **grinvader** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:22 pm

Take into account that kids these days never saw any of these so called "90s" and have a hard time imagining stuff that predates even those.

except the part with dinosaurs

see also: palin

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:25 pm

grinvader wrote:Take into account that kids these days never saw any of these so called "90s" and have a hard time imagining stuff that predates even those.

Kids know nothing about context. See Franky.

Justifier! · Post by **Justifier!** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:31 am

Well, Nintendo really targeted kids for their console and video games but, how 'bout grown-ups...... They could just made association with ESRB and just slap a rating.....

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:59 am

even still, some games were censored

I bet ToP would've been censored heavily

neo_bahamut1985 · Post by **neo_bahamut1985** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:46 pm

adventure_of_link wrote:even still, some games were censored

I bet ToP would've been censored heavily

As if the GBA port of Phantasia wasn't bad enough (sluggish framerates, crappy character names, I mean "Cress"? WTC? Heck, they mistranslated the "Ragnarok" as "Kangaroo")

Post by **grinvader** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:56 pm

That's hardly censorship.

Mini-rant coming.

Video games were SEEN as kiddy in most occidental countries up to... let's say, roughly 1994. Then they got 3D and even the tight asses couldn't find any excuses not to play.

Only then gaming became 'cool' and everyone got a fucking playstation or saturn and were playing TEKKEN or TOSHINDEN and the rest of the whee 3D fighting/flying/soccer games. Because the other games were still uncool and nerdy, text in games lol.

Before that games were mostly 2D and even the best attempts only got a slighty larger audience in. For cool kids, video games were for nerds and geeks and kiddos and retards, totally uncool and mostly unworthy of even speaking about (pixels lol) despite the best attempts from commercials.

So yes, for the big whole of the SNES' life, Japan was the only place were gaming was something serious. Even Nintendo of America/Europe didn't try hard to make things change. And they distributed games that would fit the target audience - kids to (gasp) low teens.

So when something like ToP got out... first, the technical difficulties. You could ask Dark Force about it, but it wasn't exactly the easiest translation to make, I bet.
Fat game (expensive chips), fat script (will it fit ? anyone good enough to pull it on a deadline ?), lots of not happy-childish things (oh cool, wait, you just got a sword back from the corpse of your first teammate's mother ? and wait, is that sexual innuendo over there ? lord, did she just kiss him ?)

So, lots of stuff to do to change all that to fit a kiddy audience. Huge investment. End of the SNES' life. Low interest from NOA/E. Dropped.

They dropped SD3, ffs. And it had -nothing- like that. They gave up at the technical difficulties, probably (wait, how many fonts will we have to do ? and what do you mean by "not enough space with a fixed width font" ? We pulled it fine with the previous episode ! Where the fuck is woolsey when we need him ? fuck this shit, we're not wasting a cent more on this...)

Justifier! · Post by **Justifier!** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:54 pm

I'd rather play Pokemon or MegaMan, it wouldn't be that much censored....
Especially the scene on ToP I saw last year.... Arche dreaming something nasty about Cless and her....