ZSNES 2.0 Status

elitejavi · Post by **elitejavi** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:09 pm

Squall_Leonhart wrote:....how many people noticed this was posted April first? (second for aussie users)

ya i also noticed but...
let us dream!

greytangerine · Post by **greytangerine** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:44 pm

crocomire wrote:Please, remove this spyware in ZTOASTER 2.0...

... I don't wanna go to jail!

What I don't understand is why theres so much obfuscation in the source code to see the messages "call horizon_get" "~81 prior to solar peak, horizontal compensation needs to be made." but its so easy to see them with upx -d & strings command. The developers should of at least XORed the array if there going to put that much effort into it

But back to ZTOASTER, when all is said and done it can still serve a mean english muffin and coffee.

Post by **Nach** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:36 pm

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"call horizon_get" "~81 prior to solar peak, horizontal compensation needs to be made."

And that above statement is truth. I just don't expect 99% of the people who read it have a clue what it means.

Maybe we should have a contest of people trying to figure out what the statement means.

Squall_Leonhart · Post by **Squall_Leonhart** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:11 am

Some games used abnormal width and zsnes is compensating for that, probably used alongside full screen stretching so some games don't still have black bars on either side even when stretched ?

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:51 am

Nach wrote:

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"call horizon_get" "~81 prior to solar peak, horizontal compensation needs to be made."

Either ZSNES uses sundials for its timekeeping now or it can emulate Golden Sun?

(81 is the amount of days left on April 1 until the next summer solstice. The horizontal compensation would correspond to the tangent shadow of the sun's southern angle on any given day at noon?)

Post by **Nach** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:02 am

Lazarus wrote:
Nach wrote:
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"call horizon_get" "~81 prior to solar peak, horizontal compensation needs to be made."
Either ZSNES uses sundials for its timekeeping now or it can emulate Golden Sun?

(81 is the amount of days left on April 1 until the next summer solstice. The horizontal compensation would correspond to the tangent shadow of the sun's southern angle on any given day at noon?)

You're very warm, no pun intended.

h4tred · Post by **h4tred** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:57 am

The developers should of at least XORed the array if there going to put that much effort into it

That would be too lame. XORing is.........stupid, to say the least.

Post by **Nach** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:49 am

h4tred wrote:
The developers should of at least XORed the array if there going to put that much effort into it
That would be too lame. XORing is.........stupid, to say the least.

The funny part is that he thinks I put effort into it.
All I did was write 20 funny messages, and run them through some old embed program I wrote way back when, and copy and paste, and then add one simple function to determine when to execute.

greytangerine · Post by **greytangerine** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:23 pm

Nach wrote:
h4tred wrote:
The developers should of at least XORed the array if there going to put that much effort into it
That would be too lame. XORing is.........stupid, to say the least.
The funny part is that he thinks I put effort into it.
All I did was write 20 funny messages, and run them through some old embed program I wrote way back when, and copy and paste, and then add one simple function to determine when to execute.

[strike]XORing[/strike]
made it decodable by the SPC7110 or S-DD1 chips

elitejavi · Post by **elitejavi** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:58 pm

Nach wrote:
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"call horizon_get" "~81 prior to solar peak, horizontal compensation needs to be made."
And that above statement is truth. I just don't expect 99% of the people who read it have a clue what it means.

Maybe we should have a contest of people trying to figure out what the statement means.

i know what it means!...
or probably will 5 to a million years from now if i ever get to learn anything in college

DAMN YOU TRIGONOMETRY!!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by **grinvader** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:25 pm

greytangerine wrote:What I don't understand is why theres so much obfuscation in the source code to see the messages (...) but its so easy to see them with upx -d & strings

Originally that idea stemmed from a seriously wtf moment, where debugging a feature indicated heuristically that a variable was used as flag, except that variable was used in the source a grand total of one time, at declaration.

Fun times.

clessoulis · Post by **clessoulis** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:11 pm

How much speed has been lost. I always used zsnes for speed and being able to play the games. Never gave a shit about accuracy or any of that garbage. I'd use bsnes if I did but, I dont support sloppy unoptimized programs.

So whats the minimum specs with sound that zsnes 2.0 will run on?

Zsnes is a iconic name btw plus I dont think respect should ever be taken away from zsknights even though he hasnt had anything to do with it in ages.

DancemasterGlenn · Post by **DancemasterGlenn** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:32 pm

clessoulis wrote:How much speed has been lost. I always used zsnes for speed and being able to play the games. Never gave a shit about accuracy or any of that garbage. I'd use bsnes if I did but, I dont support sloppy unoptimized programs.

So whats the minimum specs with sound that zsnes 2.0 will run on?

Zsnes is a iconic name btw plus I dont think respect should ever be taken away from zsknights even though he hasnt had anything to do with it in ages.

I'm impressed at how uninformed you are right now.

h4tred · Post by **h4tred** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:20 am

And I am infuriated with rage that you don't agree.

There is a practical limit in how much accuracy you place on things. Too much accuracy, and it is pointless. Too little, and people will utterly bitch for it being hack ridden, which will be the case.

ZSNES v2 will make a very nice compromise between cycle accuracy and taking it to the level that BSNES and Hosxs64 takes. Some apps, like Nestopia, manage to mix the two just fine, and are works of programming art. Others (BSNES, MAME, Hosxs64) say a figurative "fuck you" to the notions dictated in Wirth's Law and don't give a shit about speed, and instead focus on code clarity and accuracy to the point its nauseating. And then the authors keep advertising accuracy as its only selling point.

So, what would you do:

* Work your ass off and mix cycle accuracy with speed (which is 100% possible)
* Fuck speed, and do it how MAME does it? And go against Wirth's law of software and instead focus on the supposed benefits of Moore's law?
* Try to make a compromise?

Personally, I'd take 1 and 3. 1 would be super fun to do and a challenge, 3 is nice...but 2? You got to be fucking kidding me.

So, in conclusion, I am worried about speed like clessouis (sorry for spelling) is. Even though I have a 3GHZ Core2 Duo, speed and EFFICIENCY matters to me!

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:23 am

If you ever find yourself agreeing with clessoulis about anything, you need to:
1. Stop.
2. Step back.
3. Take a deep breath.
4. Carefully re-evaluate your position. A stopped clock is right twice a day, but clessoulis isn't a stopped clock.

Post by **lordmissus** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:23 am

I do feel as though a namechange would be nice. New emulator written from scratch, new name, makes sense, no?

As for actual names, I can't offer any ideas at this time.

Post by **Agozer** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:28 am

Gil_Hamilton wrote:If you ever find yourself agreeing with clessoulis about anything, you need to:
1. Stop.
2. Step back.
3. Take a deep breath.
4. Carefully re-evaluate your position. A stopped clock is right twice a day, but clessoulis isn't a stopped clock.

does Hammer Time fit anywhere in there?

Post by **odditude** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:01 pm

AamirM · Post by **AamirM** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:04 pm

Hah, people are still voting.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:25 pm

the topic that keeps giving

DancemasterGlenn · Post by **DancemasterGlenn** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:49 pm

h4tred wrote:And I am infuriated with rage that you don't agree.

Do I really have to ruin it by spelling it out? No one is talking about accuracy here. He's asking if there are speed hits from adding things that were mentioned on April 1st. Then he bashes something he doesn't use.

Please, someone bail me out here. And stop voting.

FitzRoy · Post by **FitzRoy** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:20 am

clessoulis wrote:How much speed has been lost. I always used zsnes for speed and being able to play the games.

If only zsnes actually could "play the games" without issue, but a myriad of games are unplayable and pushing 60fps on a 486 won't help you one iota.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:55 am

odditude wrote:

The ALL WAY makes it better.

kode54 · Post by **kode54** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:11 am

Gil_Hamilton wrote:
odditude wrote:

The ALL WAY makes it better.

How about mine? The location gives a hint about the sort of person who would decorate the stop sign in that way. Or not. It is right in my neighborhood, though.

elitejavi · Post by **elitejavi** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:53 pm

this may be a stupid question, but i have only 8 posts and if i ever become a regular here this probably won't be remembered so...

was this a joke or not?

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