What is KitchenSync and Seta 10??

gaijinx1 · Post by **gaijinx1** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:52 pm

Couple of feature questions, what the crap is the Seta 10 stuff?
And what is the KitchenSync, I cannot enable this feature. Any feedback
is appreciated.

metruide` · Post by **metruide`** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:04 pm

AntoineWG wrote:KitchenSync was never fully implemented and ultimately removed.

search does wonders

gaijinx1 · Post by **gaijinx1** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:19 pm

That doesn't help.

Post by **Nach** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:19 pm

metruide` wrote:
AntoineWG wrote:KitchenSync was never fully implemented and ultimately removed.
search does wonders

Search does do wonders, and that quote there from AntoineWG is 100% wrong.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:26 pm

Kitchensync was the obligatory "Crash my PC" option.

or maybe it doubles the screen refresh rate too...

Maybe Nach is being ornery because he fixed it so that Kitchensync won't appear if it'll crash your PC.

Post by **Agozer** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:13 pm

SETA 10 is one of those special chips, as I've understood it.

KitchenSync put the refresh rate for NTSC to 120Hz and for PAL 100Hz, but I think the whole thing was more prone to crashing and only few cards and monitors supported it.

Clements · Post by **Clements** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:56 pm

The Seta ST-0010 is a special chip used in F1 Race of Champions 2 / Exhaust Heat II. There are also two other Seta chips, the ST-0011 and the ST-0018.

blackmyst · Post by **blackmyst** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 1:40 am

Agozer wrote:SETA 10 is one of those special chips, as I've understood it.

KitchenSync put the refresh rate for NTSC to 120Hz and for PAL 100Hz, but I think the whole thing was more to crashing and only few cards and monitors supported it.

Why is that, anyway? Was there something special about it? Don't most monitors these days support insane refresh rates like 200 hz? (not to mention video cards)

Post by **Nach** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:13 am

Very few monitors I've seen support over 85 Hz.

Bent · Post by **Bent** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:26 am

Well it all depends on what resolution you're running in. Almost every halfway modern moniter I've seen will run 100Hz at 640x480 or 800x600.

gaijinx1 · Post by **gaijinx1** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:34 am

I don't see the point in even using a refresh rate higher than 85Hz. But 120Hz!? 200Hz!? That's overkill!!

Post by **Nach** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:50 am

gaijinx1 wrote:I don't see the point in even using a refresh rate higher than 85Hz. But 120Hz!? 200Hz!? That's overkill!!

Perhaps, but it's over 60Hz, and it's a multiple of 60Hz.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:52 am

gaijinx1 wrote:I don't see the point in even using a refresh rate higher than 85Hz. But 120Hz!? 200Hz!? That's overkill!!

Well, the point was that 60Hz on some monitors is painfully flickery, plus pal games (50 frames/sec) on 60 frames/sec refresh doesn't look smooth, either.

So, no it's not overkill. 1280x1024 32bpp at 120Hz would fit the definition of extreme overkill.

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:08 am

Nach wrote:Very few monitors I've seen support over 85 Hz.

My ViewSonic E70f supports 120hz @ 640x480, but KitchenSync doesn't work for me.

blackmyst · Post by **blackmyst** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 10:00 am

It's strange. Refresh rates higher than 85 hz aren't shown in the list of resolutions my little 15' monitor can handle, but if I make it show all refresh rates my video card can output, I can get up to 120 hz in 640x480, and 100 hz in 800x600 (1024x760 defaults to 85hz again, as does 1280x1024 to 60 hz).

The settings menu on the monitor itself (you know, when you use the controls on the monitor) however, shows the resolution as "user defined" when above 85hz, where it usually shows the exact numbers. I know that it is actually at the higher-than-85 refresh rate because it DOES list that.

But there doesn't seem to be any visual difference between 640x480 @ 85 hz and 640x480 @ 120 hz.

Kitchensync doesn't work for me either.

(btw, virtually all the monitors I've been looking at in online stores support at least 100 hz. Maybe it's because I've been looking at 19' and up?)

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 5:42 pm

I've seen a couple monitors in my old electric class go over 100Hz in win98....

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:41 pm

I've never seen a monitor go up to 100 hz before.

Cebu · Post by **Cebu** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 11:56 pm

snkcube wrote:I've never seen a monitor go up to 100 hz before.

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc ... ifications

There, now you've seen one. Vertical Refresh: 50-160 Hz

That's not that uncommon on most 19" monitors.