is it wrong to download a rom that you used to have?

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:22 am

that's a given, but he's trying to justify piracy. it's not something you justify. and i doubt that these people would have any interest to play some game that you can't even find on ebay.

i pirate roms. i'm not going to justify it and say i do because of this or that, because i've definitely had the opportunity to buy ffiv, ffvi, and some other gems for 39$ a pop, but i didn't. and i probably won't (with the exception of ffiv for gba). heck, i've got a copy of autoCAD 2004 that i got for 2R$(i was in brazil).

it's just getting to me that they're saying stuff like, "i wouldn't pirate if i could buy it" and all that junk. they don't even try. i mean, if you don't look on ebay, or amazon, or any major online retailer, you're not trying. you're a pirate. plain and simple. so live with it.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:36 am

sweener2001 wrote:it's just getting to me that they're saying stuff like, "i wouldn't pirate if i could buy it" and all that junk. they don't even try. i mean, if you don't look on ebay, or amazon, or any major online retailer, you're not trying. you're a pirate. plain and simple. so live with it.

It's not only a problem of finding them, it's also a problem of having the money to buy it when you find it. EVERYONE would not pirate if they had the means to get the real thing.

Hell, I have found Ikaruga on Ebay and Amazon, but I haven't had the money to buy it.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:20 am

you still have the choice not to be a pirate and do illegal things if it bothered you that much. but when you do it, and try to justify it, it's stupid. there are a ton of games i would love to play, but money (and time) keep me from them. i haven't pirated those. but i have pirated stuff. i'll at least admit it. it's also been quite a while since i've pirated anything, if that counts for anything.

Clements · Post by **Clements** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:04 pm

Yeah, I agree with sweener. I pirate for I have no scrupples, and the chances of getting caught are almost nil. I don't even bother with excuses any more.

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:21 pm

You're wrong. You don't know everyone. You don't know ME. You just assume how people are. I often go to stores LOOKING TO BUY a particular game. After going to several places, and having no luck. Check some online retailers, no luck. Then I turn to other means.

There are certainly things I blatently acquire and make no excuse for. However, there are also a host of things I am more than willing to pay for and support the developer, but I CAN'T.

Second hand copies are shit. I don't want any scratched to hell copy and any used copy isn't putting money in the developer's pockets who deserve it.

C'mon.. how many NEW copies of old games do you find on e-bay? Not many.. and the few you do are only some of the most popular titles. And even then, it's not being sold by the publishers.

There are many titles UNAVAILABLE. Why can't you acknowledge that fact? Do you want me to start naming titles you can't find NEW copies of? Because I can name a great deal.

Post by **Agozer** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:20 pm

....Let's not get started on what titles are not available in Europe. Most of my PSX games are pirated because of that, and they are all games which have never reached the old continent.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:51 pm

still a pirate, though. that's all i'm saying. you tried, it didn't pan out, so you pirated. there you go.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:05 pm

sweener2001 wrote:you still have the choice not to be a pirate and do illegal things if it bothered you that much. but when you do it, and try to justify it, it's stupid. there are a ton of games i would love to play, but money (and time) keep me from them. i haven't pirated those. but i have pirated stuff. i'll at least admit it. it's also been quite a while since i've pirated anything, if that counts for anything.

I haven't pirated Ikaruga, I'm still waiting for an Amazon refund that I'm supposed to get because last time I order it, the guy didn't send it.

I want it original. It's not stupid to try to justify a crime, it's stupid the reasons in which you can try to justify it.

Like, for example, the guys that pirate, I don't know, Halo or one of those sports games that are released everywhere and every year, it's kind of stupid for them to say "lol i cant find it" when it is easy to find it.

While, a guy that's stranded in a third world country, with no access to any legal mean to buy the game, or, the game costing like 3 times what it costs in the US, well, I find it more reasonable for him to pirate games.

Or the guy that wants a 5 year old game, and can't find it, or hasn't have access to a creditcard, ebay or amazon account. And even THEN, being able to afford the price, or finding the game in said sites.

Pirating *is* pirating, in anyway you look at it. But there are degrees in which pirating can be considered, in a moral scale, and even in a law state: Just look at China.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:04 pm

that i can agree with. justification, i can't. there are major pirates and minor pirates. i just don't agree with the justification part of it all.

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:27 pm

But, isn't every action you do done because you justified it?

You wouldn't DO anything unless it was justified.

Why do you go to work? Because you justify it's more important to have money and keep your home than not work and deal with living on the street.

You could make an example like that for anything you do. That ESPECIALLY applies to 'right' and 'wrong'.

Nothing is wrong if you justify it to yourself. That's how murders happen. Murderers justify to themselves why it is ok for them to murder someone.

I THINK I understand what you're saying, but you're not really saying it right.

Black and white.. you aquire copyrighted material without paying for it and it's illegal. You are now labeled a pirate. Any excuse or reason doesn't change that.

However, reasoning behind justification can very from poor and empty to 'understandable'. I use that term very loosely because some would argue it's never understandable to do anything illegal.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:35 pm

Nightcrawler wrote: Black and white.. you aquire copyrighted material without paying for it and it's illegal. You are now labeled a pirate. Any excuse or reason doesn't change that.

that's it right there. very philosophical on your part, though. and the justification i'm talking about isn't the general, all-the-time, unconcious stuff you're talking about. it's more the, "i feel guilty because i know i'm on the wrong side of the law, but if i say it like this, it's okay."

and only the crazy murderers justify it to themselves to that point. i think a lot of murders are also heat of the moment, "omg, what have i done?" type things.

but you nailed it in your little quote. and i'll try to go deeper here. it's the "i pirated because i wanted it" justification that i'm okay with, i guess. the "i pirate because i have no other choice" justification is bs to me. the way clements "justified" his piracy, i'm okay with. the way the others have been talking, i'm not.

that previous paragraph may have made absolutely no sense, but i tried. long story short, my point is what i have quoted from you.

Shinrin · Post by **Shinrin** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:04 pm

I can see a diffrent in a minor pirate and a major pirate. Minor pirates just download/copy/etc stuff they want but don't sell the games/software/etc to other people. Major Pirates download/copy/etc stuff they already have or don't have and sell it for personal gain. in most cases they get cought.

it is your choice on what you want. but on the other hand i don't see the problem with minor pirates who want to play something they can't by due to a lack of money or avalablilty.

SquareHead · Post by **SquareHead** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:05 pm

Another log gets thrown into the fire.

sweener2001 · Post by **sweener2001** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:41 pm

as long as they admit that they're pirates, without excuses.

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:44 pm

in soviet zboard, dead horse beats you