It's pricey , but if you like NES...

ReRuss · Post by **ReRuss** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:33 pm

http://www.retrousb.com/index.php?productID=133

Seems alright , tho I'd get more use of one for SNES or something

Rydian · Post by **Rydian** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:21 am

Too bad the amount of space SNES games take up is so, so much more.

Unless it's by one of those companies that jsut tried to use "It's a videogame!" as a selling point and the game was like 2 megabits.

Also. That would have been a great seller maybe 10 years ago.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:09 am

Rydian wrote:Too bad the amount of space SNES games take up is so, so much more.

Unless it's by one of those companies that jsut tried to use "It's a videogame!" as a selling point and the game was like 2 megabits.

Also. That would have been a great seller maybe 10 years ago.

The design takes standard CF cards. You can get several gigs on a CF.

Nothing really stopping someone from making an SNES version. Which'd be lots cheaper without the need to clone a jilllion different bankswitching chips.

And there's a healthy market for flash cartridges to this day.
The NES is uniquely interesting since it missed the boat. The wide variety of "mappers" prevented flash carts and copiers from being practical.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:46 pm

You could easily fit every SNES game on an 8GB card.

adventure_of_link · Post by **adventure_of_link** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:36 pm

is this the GoodTools collection or the NSRT collection, casualsax?

and either way, how many GB is that apiece?

ReRuss · Post by **ReRuss** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:12 am

the latest GoodSet is ~16.5GB extracted , but that's about 12,000 roms...

cut away diff versions , extra languages , non-working , unlic , ect

then yea you could squeeze down to 8gb easily I think

Which if you could get a SNES flash cart that would say , have some special chips built in... it would be freakin sweet

I'm sure it'd be pricey , but it would be worth it imo

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:46 pm

JMA'd by family, the whole official SNES releases set would probably fit on a CD.

ReRuss · Post by **ReRuss** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:38 pm

wouldnt compression be too hard on a SNES CPU possibly?

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:17 pm

ReRuss wrote:wouldnt compression be too hard on a SNES CPU possibly?

*facepalm*

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:46 pm

ReRuss wrote:wouldnt compression be too hard on a SNES CPU possibly?

If it were done on the fly, yeah, but it wouldn't be a problem anyways. It'd have to be decompressed before the game was loaded.

paulguy · Post by **paulguy** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:57 pm

It's neat but seems a bit of a ripoff at that price. It really seems they cut a lot of corners in making it (Using the NES CPU to handle practically everything instead of a small processor on the cart, being an example.) and doubt it's worth anywhere near $135.

powerspike · Post by **powerspike** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:47 pm

I recall reading a topic on the nesdev message board awhile back about those flash carts. The FPGA chip inside them is really expensive and I don't think NES flash carts with that many mappers are even possible with out them. Still for playing NES games I'll just stick with Nestopia. It's authentic enough for me.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:35 pm

Okay.

Try for once being in the shoes of the person making that device... It takes time to design the circuit, the circuit board, select parts, and write the loader program.

Low runs of circuit boards are about $80 a piece when all is said and done. Seriously. The actual component costs (the chips and stuff that get soldered on) are nothing compared to the butthurt that PCB houses and SMT soldering companies put you through. Though one might get lucky and have access to SMT soldering equipment at work or through friends, you can't count on that if you're going to make any significant quantity of something.

It costs that much because he's not making a million of them. There's also a serious risk when making something like that, in getting some bad publicity because it doesn't run something unique like Castlevania, and failing to sell all your devices. Then you're out thousand$$$.

I personally know I could not make and sell a SNES flash cart for less than $70. And that would be without profit. It's hell trying to get emulation people to pay money for anything in the first place...

/end rant

Rydian · Post by **Rydian** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:44 pm

Hey now, if I actually had bothered to move my checking account from florida up here to virginia, I'd be willing to donate a few bucks to ZSNES for something, if (Oh my billy, would'ja LOOK at'tha size of 'dat IF!) asked for, and...

I'm pretty sure we didn't all steal our gamepads... though I'm not using mine right now because I only have two USB ports.
And no, I did not steal it.

Ever tried playing SNES games with a joystick? It makes Endless Duel hard.

EDIT: I meant like, a sticky or something asking for donations to get a new compiler or something so you all didn't have to spend your own money.
Also, I only have a savings account here.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:49 am

paulguy wrote:It's neat but seems a bit of a ripoff at that price. It really seems they cut a lot of corners in making it (Using the NES CPU to handle practically everything instead of a small processor on the cart, being an example.) and doubt it's worth anywhere near $135.

WTF are you talking about?

A small processor on the cart handles ALL the hard parts!
In point of fact, that's what drives the cost up so much, as well as the only reason the device can exist!

funkyass · Post by **funkyass** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:59 am

and yet it can't sort alphabetically?

ReRuss · Post by **ReRuss** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:52 pm

creaothceann wrote:
ReRuss wrote:wouldnt compression be too hard on a SNES CPU possibly?
*facepalm*

MmmmmMmm

If china would get on the ball , they could do a decent entire SNES clone , that could be basicly a wii case , and use cart or CF...

A flash cart that handles compression n all would be sweet , even if a bit pricey

Rydian · Post by **Rydian** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:08 am

Not as pricey as a computer with a video card that's got s-video out or whatever. And if you went that route, some sort of audio out besides the standard 1/8-inch stereo jack.

Would composite be good enough for SNES graphics? I guess if you weren't applying HQ4X or something.

Gil_Hamilton · Post by **Gil_Hamilton** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:47 am

Rydian wrote:Would composite be good enough for SNES graphics? I guess if you weren't applying HQ4X or something.

Composite is ass.
I have my SNES on s-video, and it's like night and day.

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:13 pm

Rydian wrote:Not as pricey as a computer with a video card that's got s-video out or whatever. And if you went that route, some sort of audio out besides the standard 1/8-inch stereo jack.

You can buy that for 60 bucks.

Rydian · Post by **Rydian** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:04 pm

Show me. XD

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:06 pm

Here, I'll go ten bucks cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814500015

Here's one for PCI(also costs 35 bucks): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130295

and one for AGP(Same price as the first): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814133010

You can go even cheaper, but then you'll be going with 8 year old tech or stuff from unreliable manufacturers.

Rydian · Post by **Rydian** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:26 pm

Right, now show me how you can run ZSNES on a GPU.

I said computer, and I mentioned sound.

ReRuss · Post by **ReRuss** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:41 pm

grab a $400 lappy?

I suppose if you want cheap , just grab some old comp parts and whip somethin up

I.S.T. · Post by **I.S.T.** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:44 pm

Rydian wrote:Right, now show me how you can run ZSNES on a GPU.

I said computer, and I mentioned sound.

I was referring specifically to the video card with TV out, that's all.

You can do a video card with sound, though. If your VC has an HDMI port, and the right drivers, it will output sound. Some recent AMD cards have that. I believe they're 100 bucks and over, however.