Tip for NTSC-filter fans!

[aplsin]

I guess I'm not the only one loving the NTSC-filter with the RGB-preset (RGB-SCART FTW). So here's a tip on how to make ZSNES save the RGB-preset:

After you clicked the RGB-button, go the the "ADV NTSC" tab and change Bleed to -100% (the preset sets bleeding to -100% but sets the Bleed-slider to 0%, so the wrong value gets saved when you exit ZSNES, minor bug but was kinda hard to figure out what caused it).

Just remember if you click the RGB-button again for some reason you have to also change the slider again.

[blackmyst]

I think you are the only one. Or one of the few. Seeing how the RGB mode in the NTSC filter looks identical to just using the scanline filter. This defeats the entire point, don't you think?

In fact, do you even know what the NTSC filter is for?

[blargg]

The NTSC filter allows more adjustments, even when doing RGB (I think it can be sharper than even the scanline filter). Use it when you want all these adjustments.

[aplsin]

I think you are the only one. Or one of the few. Seeing how the RGB mode in the NTSC filter looks identical to just using the scanline filter. This defeats the entire point, don't you think?

I wouldn't say IDENTICAL, but you are almost right, it's pretty darn close, and if you drag the resolution-slider up to 100% i can't see any difference at all.

In fact, do you even know what the NTSC filter is for?

It is for emulating an NTSC-TV, and not necessarily an old crappy one.

The NTSC filter allows more adjustments, even when doing RGB (I think it can be sharper than even the scanline filter). Use it when you want all these adjustments.

Spot on, I don't really use the RGB-preset unmodified, I like about -60% bleed for example, IMHO 0% is too much if you sit maybe 50cm from the monitor.

Btw, blargg, you say on your filter-website "The main benefit is color mixing", am I right to belive that color mixing = bleeding? I'm no expert here, just trying to get it as close to the real thing as possible and I got no real SNES+TV to compare with.

[blargg]

on your filter-website "The main benefit is color mixing", am I right to belive that color mixing = bleeding?

Yeah. It's basically blurring the color information, without affecting the luminance (brightness), so the image stays fairly sharp even while colors blend together more.

[blackmyst]

just trying to get it as close to the real thing as possible and I got no real SNES+TV to compare with.

If that's what you really want, then take my word for it, that setting is not what you're looking for.

IMHO 0% is too much if you sit maybe 50cm from the monitor.

Same thing here. If you really want an experience as close to the real thing as possible, sitting so close to the image is not advisable.

[aplsin]

If that's what you really want, then take my word for it, that setting is not what you're looking for.

Alright, but I'm more intrested in what I AM looking for than what I'm NOT looking for.

So what should I be looking for if I want it to look like a SNES connected with RGB-SCART to a CRT SDTV?

[twipley]

Sorry for reviving an old topic.

So, I, too, am interested in making it look like a real SNES. I am somewhat confused about the best settings to use.

I are the settings I currently am using:

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NTSCHue=0
NTSCSat=0
NTSCCont=0
NTSCBright=0
NTSCSharp=20
NTSCGamma=0
NTSCRes=70
NTSCArt=-100
NTSCFringe=-100
NTSCBleed=-100
NTSCWarp=0

blargg is backing up those settings as corresponding to RGB; others, such as the OP, brings in custom values.

I am interested in simulating, through this filter, the visual feeling of an authentic snes. Are my settings appropriate? Any professional opinions?

EDIT: the game I am having in mind is Super Metroid. Following the pertinent post below, http://forum.metroidconstruction.com/in ... 172.0.html

[paulguy]

I imagine there are a lot of factors here. Between individual SNES (less important), equipment in between (Connected through VCR?) and the specific TV (most important).

So what I'm saying here is, it's entirely subjective, though I do have to note that most games are probably made with the defaults in mind, as far as bleeding and dot crawl goes, since the target audience was composite-connected NTSC televisions from the 80s and early 90s. This will also be game-by-game, though. Some may look great with the no-loss RGB setting.

[Gil_Hamilton]

Personally, I use the s-video preset. Same way I hook my SNES up these days(into a freebie presentation monitor I acquired).
A little tweaking can get it >99% accurate.