Chrono Trigger - November 26 WIP

psxyke · Post by **psxyke** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:23 am

When I try to begin a new game, suddenly zsnes closes itself, before the scene of the ocean, this does not happen with version 1.42. I do not know in which version it began this problem.

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NSRT v3.3 RC2 - Nach's SNES ROM Tools

---------------------Internal ROM Info----------------------
       File: Chrono Trigger.smc
       Name: CHRONO TRIGGER         Company: Square
     Header: SWC                       Bank: HiROM
Interleaved: No                        SRAM: 64 Kb
       Type: Normal + Batt              ROM: 32 Mb
    Country: USA                      Video: NTSC
  ROM Speed: 120ns (FastROM)       Revision: 1.0
   Checksum: Good 0x788C              CRC32: 2D206BF7
        MD5: A2BC447961E52FD2227BAED164F729DC
--------------------------Database--------------------------
   Name: Chrono Trigger
Country: USA                    Revision: 1.0
 Port 1: Gamepad                  Port 2: Gamepad
Genre 1: RPG                     Genre 2: Turn Based

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:16 am

Are you running any specific filters(graphics and/or sound)? Please specify and list your systems specs (OS, video, RAM)

I have no problems running Chrono Trigger.

As a suggestion though.. delete all the .cfg and .dat files in the folder ZSNES is in when you are dealing with 1.42 and post-1.42 WIPs... those files are incompatible with each other and can cause problems with games. Of course this is avoidable if you are running each different ZSNES version in a separate folder.

psxyke · Post by **psxyke** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:02 am

Deathlike2 wrote:Are you running any specific filters(graphics and/or sound)? Please specify and list your systems specs (OS, video, RAM)

I have no problems running Chrono Trigger.

CPU: Pentium 4 1.6
OS: Windows 98 SE
Video: Radeon 7200
RAM: 256 MB
Sound: VIA AC'97

Video: 640x480 DR F
Filter: Interpolation
Triple Buffering: ON
Vsync: ON

Sound options: default

I have the same configuration that in version 1.42, with its respective differences, with version 1.42, I do not have this problem. The problem arises just before the scene of the ocean (just before when the gulls fly on the ocean) perhaps the problem is that I use Windows 98 SE, but it is rare that with version 1,42, I do not have any problem, basically with the same configuration.

Deathlike2 wrote: As a suggestion though.. delete all the .cfg and .dat files in the folder ZSNES is in when you are dealing with 1.42 and post-1.42 WIPs... those files are incompatible with each other and can cause problems with games. Of course this is avoidable if you are running each different ZSNES version in a separate folder.

That is what I do, a different folder for each version.

byuu · Post by **byuu** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:40 am

Triple Buffering: ON
Vsync: ON

ZSNES even allows both of these to be checked at the same time? I realize it's most likely ignoring the vsync option, but that's still ... odd.

Sorry to go offtopic, that just stuck out at me.

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:41 am

byuu wrote:
Triple Buffering: ON
Vsync: ON
ZSNES even allows both of these to be checked at the same time? I realize it's most likely ignoring the vsync option, but that's still ... odd.

Sorry to go offtopic, that just stuck out at me.

Yes. You can enable both. I don't know if the emulator actually ignores VSync then.

psxyke · Post by **psxyke** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:50 am

After being using different versions, I found that with this version (September 09 2005 WIP) I do not have this problem either, with the same configuration of November 26 WIP, it seems to be that all the versions of October and November give the same problem to me.

blackmyst · Post by **blackmyst** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:39 pm

Agozer wrote:
byuu wrote:
Triple Buffering: ON
Vsync: ON
ZSNES even allows both of these to be checked at the same time? I realize it's most likely ignoring the vsync option, but that's still ... odd.

Sorry to go offtopic, that just stuck out at me.
Yes. You can enable both. I don't know if the emulator actually ignores VSync then.

I believe it does.

psxyke · Post by **psxyke** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:44 pm

With the same problem that the Windows version, but at least the dos version send this message:

Edit:
Apparently, the problem is something at random with this version (DOS Version November 26 WIP)

Clements · Post by **Clements** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:33 pm

blackmyst wrote:
Agozer wrote:
byuu wrote:
Triple Buffering: ON
Vsync: ON
ZSNES even allows both of these to be checked at the same time? I realize it's most likely ignoring the vsync option, but that's still ... odd.

Sorry to go offtopic, that just stuck out at me.
Yes. You can enable both. I don't know if the emulator actually ignores VSync then.
I believe it does.

I would say this is a bug.

Jipcy · Post by **Jipcy** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:30 pm

Clements wrote:I would say this is a bug.

The fact that you can enable both or that vsync is ignored when Triple Buffering is checked?

Post by **Agozer** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:01 pm

Jipcy wrote:
Clements wrote:I would say this is a bug.
The fact that you can enable both or that vsync is ignored when Triple Buffering is checked?

That fact that when you enable both, VSync is actually ignored (disabled) even though it's marked as enabled.

byuu · Post by **byuu** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:26 pm

Why in the hell would you want both enabled at the same time? That's almost as stupid as people requesting trilinear filtering be added to 2D games.

xamenus · Post by **xamenus** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:37 pm

From what I can tell, it's currently good to have both checked in ZSNES, and here's why:

In fullscreen, if I can only have triple buffering checked and vsync unchecked, then when I go back to windowed mode, I'll have to go back into the video menu and enable vsync again. In other words, when I disable vsync in fullscreen mode, ZSNES doesn't remember that I would still want it enabled in windowed mode. I'd rather have both enabled so that I can be lazy.

I hope that makes sense. I guess it is a bug. ZSNES needs to remember that I want vsync enabled in windowed mode, disabled in fullscreen mode, and triple buffering enabled in fullscreen mode.

byuu · Post by **byuu** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:19 am

That's a better reason, but triple buffering works the same in windowed mode as it does in fullscreen. You still only update the screen during the vertical blanking period. And in fact, you could optimize it further by updating as soon as the scanline counter reached below the emulator window, potentially a lot sooner than vblank.
Neither really work, as most people who like their eyes won't use 60hz as a desktop refresh rate on anything less than a nice LCD monitor.

xamenus · Post by **xamenus** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:37 am

byuu wrote:That's a better reason, but triple buffering works the same in windowed mode as it does in fullscreen.

Hey, that'd be a good idea for a feature request for ZSNES: Triple Buffering support in windowed mode.

(Not that I'm requesting it, but still...).

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:58 am

http://board.zsnes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... 0&start=25

I quote myself on this:

The other minor detail is that Vsync+Triple buffering are usually separate options in which vsync generally is enabled so triple buffering benefits the most...

Also... triple buffering is not available for windowed modes because of some "limitation" of DirectX... you probably can google the specifics as to why (I'm only recall this from memory).

I believe this is true for the most part.. since this is been true for every 3D game... not too sure what to make of ZSNES, but it follows the same rules...

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:12 am

I'm curious as to what the heck is going on with your comp... because it is making no sense as to why it is crashing.

The only thing that may be causing it is either the CPU/OS combo (I doubt it is entirely safe to use Win98SE on a more recent processor) or you need to redownload your copy of the WIPs (data corruption?)

For a thought, try to isolate your problem by starting fresh in ZSNES... Basically.. you want to start ZSNES like if it were the first time (just don't configure anything), and run Chrono Trigger.. see if it works. If it works, then there is something wrong with an option you have enabled/disabled and work your way up to a point where it does crash. That way, you can see what option is causing the problem.

On a separate note, make sure MMX support is enabled...

Also, consider updating your video card drivers.. I know ATI has limited support for Win98SE.. but it could be the problem.