So the ps3 isn't selling that well..

bztunk · Post by **bztunk** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:59 am

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070108-8574.html

What I want to know is how much Wiis have been shipped tho... if the Wii only shipped 500k and the ps3 1M units, the ps3 still wins...

edit: I would doubt it tho, since the Wii is probably easier to manufacture, i guess.

darkbenny · Post by **darkbenny** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:30 am

http://nexgenwars.com/

gives you a rough idea

Starman Ghost · Post by **Starman Ghost** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:09 am

Our store recieved 9 ps3 the other week. We still have them all plus 2 cause people returned 2 of them. PS3 is crap.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:15 am

Starman Ghost wrote:Our store recieved 9 ps3 the other week. We still have them all plus 2 cause people returned 2 of them. PS3 is crap.

It's crap at the moment.

SquareHead · Post by **SquareHead** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:05 am

This is funny. In our paper for the last couple weeks, someone has been trying to unload a 60gb PS3 with controller and 1 game for $900. I'll bet I can check the walmart in this one horse town and find they have a couple.

Reminds me of a few months ago. In a neighboring city we had a Rolling Stones concert. The tickets sold out in minutes. But it was mostly people buying them for the sake of reselling them at a higher price. One idiot quit his job to do this and ended up selling the tickets at $100+ loss each.

AntoineWG · Post by **AntoineWG** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:14 am

Go figure. Sony has a history of introducing formats that never get completely off the ground or completely flop--Beta, MiniDisc, SACD, UMD (movies), Memory Stick all come to mind. The market just finished transitioning completely off of VHS about 9 months ago. Most people don't give a rat's ass yet about high definition formats. I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of the people with PS3's have them hooked up on composite, or worse, an RF converter because they don't have an HDTV.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:28 am

AntoineWG wrote:I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of the people with PS3's have them hooked up on composite, or worse, an RF converter because they don't have an HDTV.

Which is funny because Sony's pushing all the HD stuff into people's faces.

AntoineWG · Post by **AntoineWG** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:23 am

I remember seeing on the news one putz that spent 3 days camped out in front of a store to get one for himself, not eBay. I don't remember what the story was about because I was laughing so hard because he had the $500-600 game system hooked up to what looked like a $100 21" Walmart special TV in his living room.

bztunk · Post by **bztunk** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:05 pm

AntoineWG wrote:I remember seeing on the news one putz that spent 3 days camped out in front of a store to get one for himself, not eBay. I don't remember what the story was about because I was laughing so hard because he had the $500-600 game system hooked up to what looked like a $100 21" Walmart special TV in his living room.

The thing is, the "real" gamers - those who post reviews on the internet, for example - have HDTVs, and do complain that the wii graphics are crappy on them. Ask pagefault...

I still think it's a big risk that nintendo has done. But fortunaly for them, since the hardware is already cheap, they could release a new system in 3-4 years (when the HDTV-to-standard-def ratio will be much bigger, we can hope) instead of 5-6, and gamers won't complain that much (i guess).

Anyway, doing the other way around, using a $600 console on a $100 TV, is so fucking stupid... especially when you can buy 50" HDTVs for $1000!

bztunk · Post by **bztunk** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:08 pm

Woah, 3.6M Wiis sold? I'm surprised...

But the NexGen Wars site do say that these numbers are only estimates...

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:34 pm

Should anyone be that stupid for paying for an overpriced product? It should have been obvious at some point. Sony got way too overconfident and now that's really gonna hurt them this gen. The XBOX360 is comparable to the PS3, except it is probably better on many different fronts (free 4xAA is awesome for IQ) and costs less. On the other hand, it is still all about the games...

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:36 pm

Deathlike2 wrote:Should anyone be stupid for paying for an overpriced product? It should have been obvious at some point. Sony got way too overconfident and now that's really gonna hurt them this gen. The XBOX360 is comparable to the PS3, except it's probably better and costs less. On the other hand, it is still all about the games...

Which right now the X360 has a lot more "next-gen" kind of games. I don't even thing MGS4 is worth $600+

corronchilejano · Post by **corronchilejano** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:37 am

Joe Camacho wrote:
Deathlike2 wrote:Should anyone be stupid for paying for an overpriced product? It should have been obvious at some point. Sony got way too overconfident and now that's really gonna hurt them this gen. The XBOX360 is comparable to the PS3, except it's probably better and costs less. On the other hand, it is still all about the games...
Which right now the X360 has a lot more "next-gen" kind of games. I don't even thing MGS4 is worth $600+

Agreed. You see Gears of War and you get fascinated.

I still have faith on the Wii though. There's a game in mind.

xamenus · Post by **xamenus** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:08 am

The PS3 hasn't been released in Europe yet, so the situation could change when it is.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:50 am

xamenus wrote:The PS3 hasn't been released in Europe yet, so the situation could change when it is.

Sure, once they sell all of the 10 PS3 assigned to Europe, SONY WILL CHANGE THE TIDE.

Post by **Agozer** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:05 am

Joe Camacho wrote:
xamenus wrote:The PS3 hasn't been released in Europe yet, so the situation could change when it is.
Sure, once they sell all of the 10 PS3 assigned to Europe, SONY WILL CHANGE THE TIDE.

Sony loves us, didn't you know that?

FitzRoy · Post by **FitzRoy** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:27 am

Sony's got my money this time around. I'm more fed up with Nintendo's mistakes than Sony's. The only thing that's pissing me off is the way 1080p is getting pushed for games. The difference over 720p is not worth the time, resources, or performance hit. I wish they would just shut up about it.

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:02 am

Sales are slow because people income is low. Gasoline and food takes half of the earnings. I'll buy the PS3 when FFXIII is out.

Joe Camacho · Post by **Joe Camacho** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:03 am

Neo Kaiser wrote:Sales are slow because people income is low. Gasoline and food takes half of the earnings. I'll buy the PS3 when FFXIII is out.

Sorry, what?

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:36 pm

FitzRoy wrote:Sony's got my money this time around. I'm more fed up with Nintendo's mistakes than Sony's. The only thing that's pissing me off is the way 1080p is getting pushed for games. The difference over 720p is not worth the time, resources, or performance hit. I wish they would just shut up about it.

That's an opinion. It seems like a bad business move to me to purposely not have your console support the highest HD resolution available on the market if you can, especially when your advertising an expensive cutting edge peice of technology. 1080p at present seems to be the ceiling for awhile for HD TV resolutions. Perhaps 1080p will become the most common format.

With that said, I don't even have an HDTV, and don't even think 720p is worth the time, resources or performance hit.

AntoineWG · Post by **AntoineWG** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:04 pm

But it probably won't become the most common format, at least not until everybody has digital cable or satellite. Broadcast signals don't have the bandwidth--they top out at 720p and 1080i.

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:36 pm

Anyone else play Gears of War at 720p or 1080i? The framerates are atrocious in some parts - like 10fps or below on some cutscenes.

Neo Kaiser · Post by **Neo Kaiser** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:59 pm

Joe Camacho wrote:
Neo Kaiser wrote:Sales are slow because people income is low. Gasoline and food takes half of the earnings. I'll buy the PS3 when FFXIII is out.
Sorry, what?

In short: Must people can't afford to pay more than $400
on a video game console. (Sorry for my broken sentence.)

casualsax3 · Post by **casualsax3** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:13 am

That's ridiculous. If you have the money to burn on a $400 console, you can afford a $500 console.

Deathlike2 · Post by **Deathlike2** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:16 am

Nightcrawler wrote:
FitzRoy wrote:Sony's got my money this time around. I'm more fed up with Nintendo's mistakes than Sony's. The only thing that's pissing me off is the way 1080p is getting pushed for games. The difference over 720p is not worth the time, resources, or performance hit. I wish they would just shut up about it.
That's an opinion. It seems like a bad business move to me to purposely not have your console support the highest HD resolution available on the market if you can, especially when your advertising an expensive cutting edge peice of technology. 1080p at present seems to be the ceiling for awhile for HD TV resolutions. Perhaps 1080p will become the most common format.

With that said, I don't even have an HDTV, and don't even think 720p is worth the time, resources or performance hit.

casualsax3 wrote:Anyone else play Gears of War at 720p or 1080i? The framerates are atrocious in some parts - like 10fps or below on some cutscenes.

Marketing gets in the way of simple concepts such as the game being playable under said resolutions. Anyone can put a checkmark feature on the box, but will the experience be enjoyable in most situations? That's questionable at best.