Why does some spc's don't work?

Fras · Post by **Fras** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:18 am

When i play certain spc's in winamp, it plays the first sound from the spc, then it sort of lock ups, playing that sound all over.
Why is that so?
Example games: Lost vikings and space megaforce.

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:01 pm

Lost Vikings streams the samples from RAM or ROM. The SPC unit contains only a small program that passes them to the output device (DSP). So you'd need to emulate an SNES, too.

Space Megaforce has been dumped: http://www.snesmusic.org/v2/select.php? ... ets&char=S

Fras · Post by **Fras** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:19 pm

ok... too bad about lost vikings... =( Though thanks for the space megaforce spc's

franpa · Post by **franpa** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:36 pm

you could have your soundcard monitor its output and then record it as it plays... but you would be making a wave and/or a mp3 file of it which is considerably bigger then a spc file.

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:40 pm

Btw. bsnes has a WAV-recording function.

Post by **grinvader** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:04 am

The super aleste rip was made by an ignorant fool who didn't work on the original game.

I point and laugh at snesmusic. Repeatedly.

Post by **Nach** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:29 am

creaothceann wrote:Btw. bsnes has a WAV-recording function.

Your point? Which SNES emulators today don't?

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:53 am

grinvader wrote:I point and laugh at snesmusic.

Huh? Do you have a better set?

Nach wrote:
creaothceann wrote:Btw. bsnes has a WAV-recording function.
Your point? Which SNES emulators today don't?

ZSNES needs a movie first, as far as I know.
SNES9x records to an AVI file.
bsnes has a simple menu item.

That's all.

FitzRoy · Post by **FitzRoy** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:55 am

This might be a stupid/impossible idea, but is there any way to rip and play spcs from these stream games in an emulator itself? Lord of the Rings is another one of these, by the way. Shame, too, it's got a great soundtrack.

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:01 am

An SPC file is a savestate of only the audio system. You would need to setup the rest of the SNES as well, which would require a savestate.

In other words, there's no difference to just loading a savestate and letting the emulator run the game.

FitzRoy · Post by **FitzRoy** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:02 am

I guess my only other idea is to use snessor to replace sound bits with silence, then play the game through and record each track through the digisnes. Pretty elaborate, although I'd bet the snesmusic guys would take the wavs.

Post by **grinvader** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:11 am

creaothceann wrote:
grinvader wrote:I point and laugh at snesmusic.
Huh? Do you have a better set?

No duh.

Just rip the japanese ROM's soundtest and compare the number of tracks.

creaothceann · Post by **creaothceann** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:13 am

I see.

KungFuFurby · Post by **KungFuFurby** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:10 pm

Works for me, since I've heard of this problem in other areas as well. A complete list of undumpable SPCs can be found here.

I found out that if you find the composer to one game, if you know the game and the same composer made it, chances are it's undumpable as well.

Example: Peter Stone composed Ren and Stimpy: Veediots! as well as Wayne's World. James Bond Jr, while not declared undumpable yet, was composed by Peter Stone as well.

I would like to bring a second problem, present in the two games Motivetime released, and some other games, that deals with volume. That would be... yes, Dragon's Lair and Adventures of Dr. Franken! I would like to know if volume problems like these are fixable. They're dumpable if they're not dumped right at the start, but the master volume, if I remember correctly, will stick, so the fade effect achieved by Dragon's Lair and Adventures of Dr. Franken can't be replicated in an actual SPC file. One method is, if the song loops from the start, to dump it right at the loop point, provided you know where it is. The second is the patching method, if availible at all. No patch is availible for any of the volume-problematic games execpt for Pink Panther in Pink Goes to Hollywood, which I dumped. Now in that case, it plays and then suddenly fades out. It is fixable, as a patch is availible.

A brand new format called SNSF will allow you to get those undumpable SPCs, but I'm not so sure how to rip 'em. There are SNSF sets and an SNSF player here.

Panzer88 · Post by **Panzer88** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:21 am

grinvader wrote:
creaothceann wrote:
grinvader wrote:I point and laugh at snesmusic.
Huh? Do you have a better set?
No duh.

Just rip the japanese ROM's soundtest and compare the number of tracks.

so why doesn't someone who knows what they are doing dump SPCs and host them? (an/or submit them to SNES MUSIC)

Post by **grinvader** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:40 pm

Panzer88 wrote:
grinvader wrote:
creaothceann wrote:
grinvader wrote:I point and laugh at snesmusic.
Huh? Do you have a better set?
No duh.

Just rip the japanese ROM's soundtest and compare the number of tracks.
so why doesn't someone who knows what they are doing dump SPCs and host them? (an/or submit them to SNES MUSIC)

Beats me. Maybe because I'm a bastard and keep the stuff I worked on to myself.

It's not a hard one to rip, anyway, unlike what Fras said. Sound test menu and all.

Personally the fact that snesmusic doesn't list Star Ocean or Tales of Phantasia in the 'dumpable with minor hacking' list is proof enough that they are clueless with a capital F [not a typo].