Star Ocean runs too fast

Karonath · Post by **Karonath** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:00 am

I'm having trouble with Star Ocean's speed. During battles the game will start running at a speed which is unplayable. Even though the framerate is displayed at a steady 60 FPS. After the battle, the speed will return to normal.

I have tried using ZSNES 1.36. Not only do I get the same speed effect, but the graphics are entirely scrambled. I have also tried running it on the SNES9x emulator, on which it works fine. Although, I prefer using ZSNES, so getting it working on ZSNES would be great.

I'd be glad for any help on this subject.

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:02 am

I remember this was a known issue. It could of been fixed though. Try using 1.40.

Post by **Nach** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:10 am

I heard of this problem before, but when I tried it, it seems perfectly fine for me.

Karonath · Post by **Karonath** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:17 am

Sorry, I forgot to specify which version I'm using.
But I am already using version 1.40. And any older versions don't seem to run the game at all.

Paul Bunyan · Post by **Paul Bunyan** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:24 am

the older versions of Zsnes require the use of the graphics packs.

Post by **Agozer** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:44 am

Nach wrote:I heard of this problem before, but when I tried it, it seems perfectly fine for me.

It's funny that you don't see it. I'm under the impression that Grin has told you about this "problem" before as well...

Aerdan · Post by **Aerdan** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:47 am

I didn't have a problem with it, either, but my system isn't the best thing in the world, so...

Operating System: [Win2K Professional 5.0 Service Pack 4 (Build #2195)] - Uptime: [28m 10s] - Record: [4d 1h 11m 48s set on Wed Jan 12 21:02:33 2005]
Memory Usage: [Usage: 158/768MB (20.57%)] - Display Info: [1280x1024 32bit 72Hz] - Monitor: [NEC MultiSync XV17+ (-2)]
CPU Info: [1 CPU - AMD K7 Duron, 1.21 GHz, L1: 64KB L2: 64KB (100% Load)] - Temperature: [Deactivated by user]
Hard Disks: [Total/Free: 17.69/6.04GB - Total/Free space on: C: 17.69/6.04GB]
Connection/Network Interfaces: [#1 (D-Link AirPlus 22 Mbps Wireless Network Adapter (Microsoft's Packet Scheduler) (11Mb/s) 0.23MB In, 0.10MB Out)]

[EDIT: Updated display info.]

Post by **Nach** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:58 am

Agozer wrote:
Nach wrote:I heard of this problem before, but when I tried it, it seems perfectly fine for me.
It's funny that you don't see it. I'm under the impression that Grin has told you about this "problem" before as well...

He told me about it. And he tried to help me recreate it to no avail.

Battle speed seems perfectly fine to me.

Bear in mind my SO isn't hacked though.

Post by **grinvader** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:57 pm

I played SO before we had graphic packs, Nach. I always got that behaviour in battles.

... if it's user-dependent, might it be another effect similar to the CT bug ? If so, something is really screwed up.

Post by **Nach** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:13 pm

grinvader wrote: ... if it's user-dependent, might it be another effect similar to the CT bug ? If so, something is really screwed up.

The CT bug is compile dependant. Pass me one of your buggy SO builds, and I'll have a look.

Sferics · Post by **Sferics** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:20 pm

I thought everyone experienced this problem...

Cloud Strife · Post by **Cloud Strife** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:47 am

What the!? That happens to me, too! Is that how the game originally ran, you know, now that the S-DD1 chip is fully emulated?

snkcube · Post by **snkcube** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:38 am

Cloud Strife wrote:What the!? That happens to me, too! Is that how the game originally ran, you know, now that the S-DD1 chip is fully emulated?

I'm pretty sure a fully emulated S-DD1 chip won't matter.

Dmog · Post by **Dmog** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:45 am

Nach wrote:
Agozer wrote:
Nach wrote:I heard of this problem before, but when I tried it, it seems perfectly fine for me.
It's funny that you don't see it. I'm under the impression that Grin has told you about this "problem" before as well...
He told me about it. And he tried to help me recreate it to no avail.

Battle speed seems perfectly fine to me.

Bear in mind my SO isn't hacked though.

It's supposed to be running at a constant speed..Try this, when you target an enemy during a battle, does it slow down all of a sudden? If so, then THAT's the speed it's supposed to be running at all time. (except for the slowdown that would naturally occur when there's too much stuff going on)

Snes9x does it right last time I check btw.

Edit: Just check with 1.40 Verified goodrom, unpatched StarOcean.
Runs too fast like before.

Post by **Nach** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:39 am

Dmog wrote:
Nach wrote:
Agozer wrote:
Nach wrote:I heard of this problem before, but when I tried it, it seems perfectly fine for me.
It's funny that you don't see it. I'm under the impression that Grin has told you about this "problem" before as well...
He told me about it. And he tried to help me recreate it to no avail.

Battle speed seems perfectly fine to me.

Bear in mind my SO isn't hacked though.
It's supposed to be running at a constant speed..Try this, when you target an enemy during a battle, does it slow down all of a sudden? If so, then THAT's the speed it's supposed to be running at all time. (except for the slowdown that would naturally occur when there's too much stuff going on)

The speed is constant during the fight, and isn't that fast at all.

Dmog · Post by **Dmog** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:31 pm

Nach wrote:
Dmog wrote:
Nach wrote:
Agozer wrote:
Nach wrote:I heard of this problem before, but when I tried it, it seems perfectly fine for me.
It's funny that you don't see it. I'm under the impression that Grin has told you about this "problem" before as well...
He told me about it. And he tried to help me recreate it to no avail.

Battle speed seems perfectly fine to me.

Bear in mind my SO isn't hacked though.
It's supposed to be running at a constant speed..Try this, when you target an enemy during a battle, does it slow down all of a sudden? If so, then THAT's the speed it's supposed to be running at all time. (except for the slowdown that would naturally occur when there's too much stuff going on)
The speed is constant during the fight, and isn't that fast at all.

Can you give us the NSRT output of the rom you tested?
Either you're not testing on the official 1.40, either you haven't actually noticed the problem. Many people have reported the unusual battle speed.

Also, what port did you use for test? And what emulator settings?
Perhaps it's some settings that's causing this. Well I don't know.

Karonath · Post by **Karonath** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:19 pm

So what would be the recommended solution? Just use Snes9x?
That's what it looks like I am going to have to do.

Post by **Agozer** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:24 pm

Karonath wrote:So what would be the recommended solution? Just use Snes9x?
That's what it looks like I am going to have to do.

Yeah, that's what most of the people who can actually see the "bug" do.

Cloud Strife · Post by **Cloud Strife** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:59 pm

The reason I said it was "fully emulated" was before Zsnes 1.40, S-DD1 game required using dexor to decompress graphics packs. Then again, Zsnes 1.40 could've made the game "broken".

Post by **Nach** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:17 pm

Everyone who does or doesn't have the problem, can you specify if you have an AMD or Intel proccessor?

Post by **Agozer** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:48 pm

Cloud Strife wrote:The reason I said it was "fully emulated" was before Zsnes 1.40, S-DD1 game required using dexor to decompress graphics packs. Then again, Zsnes 1.40 could've made the game "broken".

No, it didn't. The bug has been there as long as SO has been playable.

Knurek · Post by **Knurek** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:53 pm

Nach wrote:Everyone who does or doesn't have the problem, can you specify if you have an AMD or Intel proccessor?

Sempron 2300+, v1.40 Win32, good (0x13B8) SO ROM.
Pretty much two times as fast as in SNES9x.

Cloud Strife · Post by **Cloud Strife** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:17 pm

CPU - AMD Athlon XP 2700+ (2133MHz)

Zsnes - Runs too fast
Snes9x - Runs at normal speed

Noxious Ninja · Post by **Noxious Ninja** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:23 am

Nach wrote:Everyone who does or doesn't have the problem, can you specify if you have an AMD or Intel proccessor?

I do have the problem, and I'm running an Athlon XP.

I have a P3 box which I can test it on, but it needs some fixing up first, so it'll be a few days.

Paul Bunyan · Post by **Paul Bunyan** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:44 am

Nach wrote:Everyone who does or doesn't have the problem, can you specify if you have an AMD or Intel proccessor?

Have problem, Intel P4